tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post7993030038223718556..comments2023-10-05T08:25:13.232-04:00Comments on Biblical Evidence for Catholicism: Fasting for the Dead in the Old Testament: Not Essentially Different from Praying for ThemDave Armstronghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-56932338634060127562015-01-22T10:47:23.119-05:002015-01-22T10:47:23.119-05:00If praying for the dead is right (as it is), then ...If praying for the dead is right (as it is), then fasting and other penance follow from the same principle.Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-85069705113942739832015-01-22T07:08:08.912-05:002015-01-22T07:08:08.912-05:00I've been wondering too wether fasting for the...I've been wondering too wether fasting for the dead is wrong or right and still very confused about that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14616944837581180705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-51156007041743651822012-11-12T23:19:42.152-05:002012-11-12T23:19:42.152-05:00Excellent; thanks!Excellent; thanks!Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-46980153611074298472012-11-12T22:09:30.143-05:002012-11-12T22:09:30.143-05:00David fasted for his infant son and one of the Gos...David fasted for his infant son and one of the Gospels has the Apostles ask why they were unable to drive out a demon, and Jesus responds that kind of demon can only be cast out "by prayer and fasting". These two examples refutes the idea "fasting never benefits anyone else".Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-47199954994905343252012-11-10T14:37:32.087-05:002012-11-10T14:37:32.087-05:00They can play that game, but it doesn't jive w...They can play that game, but it doesn't jive with all the biblical data.Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-58753402876392155402012-11-10T14:28:26.584-05:002012-11-10T14:28:26.584-05:00Basically, what Dave said above. Basically, what Dave said above. Brian Cranehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18324646035425689955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-633311387386823082012-11-10T14:27:13.206-05:002012-11-10T14:27:13.206-05:00The evangelical counterpoint is that fasting *for*...The evangelical counterpoint is that fasting *for* the dead is actually a way that Jews mourned. Fasting = mourning. Another one I've heard is that fasting never benefits anyone else, so DAvid and his men were actually seeking their own individual clarity by fasting. I'm on an Protestant forum, and those were the answers I got when I posed the question last night. Brian Cranehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18324646035425689955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-9837851571898855172012-11-05T13:58:27.449-05:002012-11-05T13:58:27.449-05:00I guess you could also say that 2 Samuel 12:23 ref...I guess you could also say that 2 Samuel 12:23 refers to an innocent incapable for personal sin, whereas the same could not be said for Jonathan and most definitely for Saul.Restless Pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401126921440086739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-50760479453104557752012-11-05T12:44:28.649-05:002012-11-05T12:44:28.649-05:00I don't remember. I think it may have been &qu...I don't remember. I think it may have been "erasmus" in the e-mail.Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-17466946770693913642012-11-05T12:43:03.470-05:002012-11-05T12:43:03.470-05:00Did you have a Socrates email address several year...Did you have a Socrates email address several years ago? If so we talked several times after I had found over 70 verses that showed that figuratively eating flesh means the opposite of what they say it means in John 6. I had your book on my shelf and I didn't realize who you were. :)<br />Doug Creamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09937233940965986549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-3653282747975760432012-11-05T09:40:37.127-05:002012-11-05T09:40:37.127-05:00I have no idea. I just discovered it myself, so I ...I have no idea. I just discovered it myself, so I don't know about reactions. I imagine they might say that it was simply alongside the mourning, with no intention of helping the dead: a ritual of mourning for the Jews, like sackcloth and ashes, etc.Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-37593533802706230522012-11-05T00:15:18.998-05:002012-11-05T00:15:18.998-05:00Dave what is the usual evangelical counterpoint wh...Dave what is the usual evangelical counterpoint when they are shown this?Doug Creamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09937233940965986549noreply@blogger.com