tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post363507631108754281..comments2023-10-05T08:25:13.232-04:00Comments on Biblical Evidence for Catholicism: Anti-Catholic Lies and Propaganda: Did Pope St. Pius V Claim to be God? Did a Bishop Say Pope St. John Paul II Was God?Dave Armstronghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-16677744368556164292015-04-30T00:50:55.014-04:002015-04-30T00:50:55.014-04:00Catholics know that the bestselling "Left Beh... Catholics know that the bestselling "Left Behind" books and movies have grossly perverted Catholicism's biblical "rapture" doctrine - the only "rapture" view before 1830.<br /> The 2000-year-old Catholic "rapture" (the "caught up" in I Thess. 4:17) occurs AFTER the final "tribulation" (post-tribulation) while the 185-year-old evangelical Protestant "rapture" supposedly occurs BEFORE it (pre-tribulation) and is said to be "imminent."<br /> All Catholics should read journalist Dave MacPherson's "The Rapture Plot" (available by calling 800.643.4645) - the most accurate documentation on the history of the pretrib rapture which began in British cultic circles in 1830. By twisting Scripture, this new doctrine gave folks the (false) hope of being evacuated from earth before the chaos found in the book of Revelation.<br /> "The Rapture Plot" reveals, for the first time, how a Plymouth Brethren historian, after John Darby's death, secretly and dishonestly changed the earliest "rapture" writings of the Irvingites (the first group publicly teaching a pretrib rapture) so that he could wrongfully credit P.B. leader Darby with "dispensationalism" as well as with that rapture view! (Some still view Darby as the "father of dispensationalism" even though MacPherson's book amply proves that Darby wasn't first or original with any crucial aspect of that system but subtly plagiarized others!)<br /> The leading pretrib rapture merchandisers (Scofield, Lindsey, LaHaye etc.) are openly anti-Catholic and believe that the Antichrist during the coming tribulation will be headquartered in Rome (and you can guess where!).<br /> For more shocks Google "Catholics Did NOT Invent the Rapture," "The Real Manuel Lacunza," "Pseudo-Ephraem Taught Pretrib - NOT!," "John Darby Did NOT Invent the Rapture," "Margaret Macdonald's Rapture Chart" (she originated the pretrib rapture!), "Edward Irving is Unnerving," "Famous Rapture Watchers," "Evangelicals Use Occult Deception," "Pretrib Hypocrisy," and "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty." <br /> Irvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07634792243846422285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-71467424013589661382011-02-25T17:47:17.531-05:002011-02-25T17:47:17.531-05:00Gregory,
In general, on men being "like unt...Gregory, <br /><br />In general, on men being "like unto God," you might want to read what <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=1TcuAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA307&dq=%22angels+and+men+may+be+likened+unto+God+as+to+his+external+works%22&hl=en&ei=RyRoTZHAAcSAlAecldH_AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22angels%20and%20men%20may%20be%20likened%20unto%20God%20as%20to%20his%20external%20works%22&f=false" rel="nofollow"> Luther has to say</a> and what <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=T8UUAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA438&dq=psalms+image+augustine+%22like+unto+God%22&hl=en&ei=Oh5oTZigNIPGlQfPp-j-AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22like%20unto%20God%22&f=false" rel="nofollow"> Augustine has to say</a>.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971132944684765473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-11437537744503501472011-02-25T16:46:16.208-05:002011-02-25T16:46:16.208-05:00Ps 86 is pretty definitive when it says: "Amo...<i>Ps 86 is pretty definitive when it says: "Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord; neither are there any works like unto thy works." (v 8) Again, "there is none like unto thee, O Lord" None.</i><br /><br />And yet Psalm 81 (82) is also pretty definitive when it says, "I said, 'You are <i>elohim</i>, and all of you the sons of the Most High." <br /><br />Since the Scripture cannot be broken, we must conclude that you are misinterpreting Holy Scripture, which undeniably teaches that men can indeed be like God.<br /><br /><i>Therefore being in the image of God is not the equivalent to being like unto God.</i><br /><br />If it's not the equivalent to being like unto God, then you will have to figure out who exactly it is the equivalent of being like unto. If being "in the image AND LIKENESS of God" doesn't mean "like unto God," then what do you suppose it means? "Like unto tree sloths" perhaps?<br /><br /><i>We are all made in the image of God, but there is none like unto the Lord.</i><br /><br />Except for those who are like unto the Lord, that is.<br /><br /><i>And in Acts of the Apostles, one can read of the miracles that mortal man did in the name of Jesus Christ. Jesus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father" (Jn 14:12). If the popes really are the successors to the apostles, and they believe in Jesus as King, then where are their mighty works?</i><br /><br />Read some Church history. If one were to try to tell all the stories of the mighty works that God has performed through the popes and other Catholics, he'd die of old age before he told the last story. Not just miracles, but stories of the conversions of entire peoples. During the earthly ministry of Jesus, how many nations were converted to the Faith? Through His Church, Jesus has brought whole nations to the Father (something of which no Protestant leader or sect can boast).Confiteborhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17951083063448447552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-32819638874256817632011-02-25T15:50:24.570-05:002011-02-25T15:50:24.570-05:00@Gregory
"If the popes really are the succes...@Gregory<br /><br />"If the popes really are the successors to the apostles, and they believe in Jesus as King, then where are their mighty works?"<br /><br />Can you show me the "mighty works" of Timothy or Titus? <br />These men were the successors of the apostles (according to the Catholic Church) and they are mentioned in the Bible. If you can't show us then we can assume that mighty works are not a qualifier for being a successor. But I'll wait for your reply.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04608918306750440883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-62533739609595295092011-02-25T13:33:16.397-05:002011-02-25T13:33:16.397-05:00jordanese551,
Ps 86 is pretty definitive when it ...jordanese551,<br /><br />Ps 86 is pretty definitive when it says:<br /><br />"Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord; neither are there any works like unto thy works." (v 8)<br /><br />Again, <br /><br />"there is none like unto thee, O Lord"<br /><br />None.<br />Therefore being in the image of God is not the equivalent to being like unto God. We are all made in the image of God, but there is none like unto the Lord.<br /><br />And in Acts of the Apostles, one can read of the miracles that mortal man did in the name of Jesus Christ.<br />Jesus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father" (Jn 14:12).<br /><br />If the popes really are the successors to the apostles, and they believe in Jesus as King, then where are their mighty works?Gregory Mathew Kuglinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14600202379290733757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-26901375270089517552011-02-24T21:14:06.430-05:002011-02-24T21:14:06.430-05:00In Psalm 45 there is no mention of king David; it&...<i>In Psalm 45 there is no mention of king David; it's about Jesus Christ.</i><br /><br />All biblical references to King David, and to the Kings of the House of David in Jerusalem, are about Jesus Christ.<br /><br />Psalm 44 (45) is about the Davidic king, the messiah, the allegorical type of Jesus. In the literal sense, it applies to mere mortals, and allegorically and prophetically to Jesus. But when the priestly choir in Jerusalem sang this psalm, they certainly weren't thinking of Jesus nor of the mystery of the Incarnation, even though we see with the eyes of faith that that's what it is really about.<br /><br /><i>God has a throne in heaven, and Jesus is seated on a throne in heaven at his right hand. Jesus is the Messiah, which actually means "Anointed One" (see Ps 45:7)</i><br /><br />Even unworthy King Saul was the Messiah, the Lord's Anointed One.<br /><br /><i>The Lord God is above all gods.</i><br /><br />Yes, including the "god" known as the Pope.<br /><br /><i>It should not be said by anyone that any pope is "like unto God".</i><br /><br />Why not? Aren't popes human beings, and don't the Scriptures say that human beings are created in the image of God -- that is, we are like unto God?<br /><br /><i>No pope has done the amazing, glorious things written of the LORD in Exodus 15, or come close to any of his works written in the Bible.</i><br /><br />Neither has any other mortal man, nor did the human judges mentioned in Psalm 81 (82) of whom God said, "You are <i>elohim</i>."<br /><br /><i>Thank you for sharing those verses with me, and keep up your study of the Bible, which is truth.</i><br /><br />You're welcome. You do the same.<br /><br /><i>Even though I sometimes only quote portions of Scripture, I highly recommend checking out larger sections surrounding that verse for better context.</i><br /><br />In my decades of Bible study, I've found that's a pretty important rule to follow.Confiteborhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17951083063448447552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-42295156929893790372011-02-24T20:21:20.496-05:002011-02-24T20:21:20.496-05:00Jordanes551, I read Psalms that you brought up.
...Jordanes551, I read Psalms that you brought up. <br /><br />In Psalm 45 there is no mention of king David; it's about Jesus Christ.<br />God has a throne in heaven, and Jesus is seated on a throne in heaven at his right hand. Jesus is the Messiah, which actually means "Anointed One" (see Ps 45:7)<br /><br />In Psalm 82 there are a some verses that should give a scale to compare God to these "gods".<br />- God will judge among the gods (v. 1)<br />-"They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness" (v 5)<br />- they "shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes." (v 7)<br /><br />The Lord God is above all gods.<br /><br /><br />Psalm 86:8 <br />"Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord; neither are there any works like unto thy works."<br /><br />It should not be said by anyone that any pope is "like unto God".<br /><br />Exodus 15:11 <br />"Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods? who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?"<br /><br />No pope has done the amazing, glorious things written of the LORD in Exodus 15, or come close to any of his works written in the Bible. <br /><br /> Psalm 113:<br />1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise, O ye servants of the LORD, praise the name of the LORD.<br /><br />2Blessed be the name of the LORD from this time forth and for evermore.<br /><br />3From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same the LORD'S name is to be praised.<br /><br />4The LORD is high above all nations, and his glory above the heavens.<br /><br />5Who is like unto the LORD our God, who dwelleth on high,<br /><br />6Who humbleth himself to behold the things that are in heaven, and in the earth!<br /><br />7He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth the needy out of the dunghill;<br /><br />8That he may set him with princes, even with the princes of his people.<br /><br />9He maketh the barren woman to keep house, and to be a joyful mother of children. Praise ye the LORD. <br /><br /> Thank you for sharing those verses with me, and keep up your study of the Bible, which is truth. Even though I sometimes only quote portions of Scripture, I highly recommend checking out larger sections surrounding that verse for better context.Gregory Mathew Kuglinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14600202379290733757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-74295577399753283722011-02-21T01:06:31.572-05:002011-02-21T01:06:31.572-05:00Dave,
A few more items of possible interest:
He...Dave, <br /><br />A few more items of possible interest:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=%22heeding+not+me%2C+but+christ+and+he+who+gives+me+no+heed%22&btnG=Search+Books" rel="nofollow">Here</a>, and as Cochlaeus relates the <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=2mBC3no0kZoC&pg=PA151&dq=%22does+not+obey+me%22+luther&hl=en&ei=QfFhTeuiA8SBlAfGnNCdDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22does%20not%20obey%20me%22%20luther&f=false" rel="nofollow">same</a><br /><br /><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=bTV_GRQVJ1sC&pg=PA86&dq=%22to+be+reverenced+next+after+christ+and+paul%22&hl=en&ei=F_hhTez4KMXflge9gZmdDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22to%20be%20reverenced%20next%20after%20christ%20and%20paul%22&f=false" rel="nofollow">This</a>, and see page 83 of <a href="http://www03.us.archive.org/stream/fourmarkschurch02fletuoft#page/n87/mode/2up" rel="nofollow">this book</a>, and page 489 of Weimar ed., v. 11, <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=wlQMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA489&dq=%22Christus+habet+primas,+habeas+tibi+Paule+secundas%22&hl=en&ei=3OFETdnuEcOBlAf9-f1C&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22Christus%20habet%20primas%2C%20habeas%20tibi%20Paule%20secundas%22&f=false" rel="nofollow">in Latin</a>. (We need a Latin translator - where's Adomnan when ya need him?) ;)<br /><br /><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=XdIX8_EMTbQC&pg=PA319&dq=%22gospel+not+from+men%22&hl=en&ei=hD1FTbbJKcGBlAe6n7zlDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CFEQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=%22gospel%20not%20from%20men%22&f=false" rel="nofollow">This</a>, and a <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=g_cEAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA124&dq=luther+%22i+did+not+receive+the+gospel%22&hl=en&ei=xSxFTZjoJ4S8lQfhrKQC&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=luther%20%22i%20did%20not%20receive%20the%20gospel%22&f=false" rel="nofollow">slightly different version</a><br /><br /><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=rvz4JAI9fmUC&pg=PA418&dq=%22Let+that+be+my,+Dr.+Luther%E2%80%99s,+inspiration+of+the+Holy+Spirit+and+the+real+holy+gospel%22&hl=en&ei=KfphTbXCO8SqlAerlJi0DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22Let%20that%20be%20my%2C%20Dr.%20Luther%E2%80%99s%2C%20inspiration%20of%20the%20Holy%20Spirit%20and%20the%20real%20holy%20gospel%22&f=false" rel="nofollow">This</a>, more context <a href="http://luthermelanchthon.blogspot.com/2010/03/commentary-on-alleged-imperial-edict.html" rel="nofollow"> here</a><br /><br /><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=2koQAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA36&dq=%E2%80%9CWhat+I+say+here+is+to+be+taken+for+an+inspiration+of+the+Holy+Ghost.%E2%80%9D&hl=en&ei=NvthTZ-WJoSdlgfLhI23DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%E2%80%9CWhat%20I%20say%20here%20is%20to%20be%20taken%20for%20an%20inspiration%20of%20the%20Holy%20Ghost.%E2%80%9D&f=false" rel="nofollow">another version</a><br /><br /><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=3QIRAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=%22so+sage+ich+Doctor+Martinus+Luther,+unsers+Herrn+Jesu+Christi+unw%C3%BCrdiger+Evangelist,+da%C3%9F+diesen+Artikel%22&source=bl&ots=sB2wXQD9RL&sig=ciVxEj6R6UJGMtyjAGY4OrmInDM&hl=en&ei=1jBOTfuuMsH2gAfAsI3vDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22so%20sage%20ich%20Doctor%20Martinus%20Luther%2C%20unsers%20Herrn%20Jesu%20Christi%20unw%C3%BCrdiger%20Evangelist%2C%20da%C3%9F%20diesen%20Artikel%22&f=false" rel="nofollow">Here's the German</a> (Erlangen ed.)Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971132944684765473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-82378740727159014532011-02-20T14:33:54.366-05:002011-02-20T14:33:54.366-05:00EXCELLENT, Ben. Those are great "finds."...EXCELLENT, Ben. Those are great "finds." I wanna add them to the end of the paper, as soon as I can. Good work! That's my strategy: refute Protestant anti-Catholics with the Bible and other Protestants: people they themselves admire.Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-1008745230646619352011-02-20T04:31:56.797-05:002011-02-20T04:31:56.797-05:00Dave, Jordanes, See this.
And I'll throw thes...Dave, Jordanes, See <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=iVpIAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA335&lpg=PA335&dq=%22are+called+gods+on+account+of+their+office,+because+they+sit+in+God%27s+stead%22&source=bl&ots=SJbc--J1HS&sig=Wts6Tdlbu9HQCqSvtQkqlqKAnEg&hl=en&ei=vcRgTbDxE8GblgeUspXsCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22are%20called%20gods%20on%20account%20of%20their%20office%2C%20because%20they%20sit%20in%20God%27s%20stead%22&f=false" rel="nofollow">this</a>.<br /><br />And I'll throw these in just for good measure! ;)<br /><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=MfQVypTRYbAC&pg=PA372&dq=%22there+has+not+risen+a+greater+than+John+Calvin%22&hl=en&ei=QsVgTYrlO4KglAfB8-23DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22there%20has%20not%20risen%20a%20greater%20than%20John%20Calvin%22&f=false" rel="nofollow">this</a> and <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=3VItAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA95&dq=%22ministers+are+called+saviours%22&hl=en&ei=ualgTfatEM_AgQe047i7Ag&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22ministers%20are%20called%20saviours%22&f=false" rel="nofollow">this</a>.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971132944684765473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-76418750304183943962011-02-19T11:06:21.924-05:002011-02-19T11:06:21.924-05:00In addition, as for those few times when Catholic ...In addition, as for those few times when Catholic theologians have spoken of the pope as "<i>quasi deus in terra</i>," how is that any more objectionable than Psalm 44 (45):7-8, where the Davidic King of Judah, a mere mortal, is addressed with the words, "Thy throne, <b>O God</b>, is forevermore; a sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou dost love justice and hate iniquity: therefore God, thy God, has anointed thee, with oil of gladness above thy fellows"? Or Psalm 81 (82):6, where God addresses human, mortal judges with the words, "I have said: 'You are <i>elohim</i>, and all of you, the sons of the Most High."<br /><br />If He called them gods to whom the word of God was addressed (and the Scripture cannot be broken), dost thou say of him to whom Christ hath given the keys to the kingdom of heaven, and granted unto him royal power as steward of the House of David and servant of the King, "Thou blasphemest," because it has been said of him that he is <i>like</i> God on the earth?Confiteborhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17951083063448447552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-58377866175886729092011-02-19T03:11:40.438-05:002011-02-19T03:11:40.438-05:00Infallibility had to do with being error-free in p...Infallibility had to do with being error-free in proclaiming a doctrine, not impeccable in morals. This is a common mistake, but a very basic one.<br /><br />The pope represents Jesus on earth. That no more makes him equal to God than being an ambassador of the United States makes a person the same as the United States. <br /><br />It's just silly.<br /><br />You seem like a sensible person. Can't you see the logical distinctions here?Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-81481239232053109372011-02-18T22:25:11.662-05:002011-02-18T22:25:11.662-05:00Hi Dave,
I found your site through the 'stat...Hi Dave, <br /><br />I found your site through the 'stats' section of my blog. Someone had come from your site, directly to my blog. So I checked it out, and found that you linked to my blog (The Roman Catholic Church's Shame) in your post about the Holy Sees self proclamation of divinity.<br /><br />I did not know that the commonly used quotation of Pius V is inaccurate. Ill take your word on this one, because admittedly I've never read that book by Barclay, not even Chapter XXVII, p. 218.<br /><br />Your post however did not touch on the other quotations I posted in the same article. These are from other sources, written at different times. <br /><br />Even if the popes and those involved in the Catholic system never proposed that the pope "is as God on earth," (papa est QUASI DEUS IN TERRA), as Pope Boniface VIII did, there is still abundant evidence from the Holy Bible, and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, that the papal position is one totally apart from the God of truth, and is an attempt to usurp his glory. <br /><br />For example, Paragraph 882 of the Catechism:<br />"The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter's successor, is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful. For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered".<br /><br />Is this not saying that the pope holds the position, power, and influence of Jesus Christ, God on earth? But the Bible says all things, and every name that is named are under the feet of Jesus (Eph 1:17-22). This would include Peter, and every 'successor' after him.<br /><br />Then paragraphs 890, and 891 of the CCC mention infallibility. Only one was perfect in faith and morals, and that was and is Jesus Christ, who lived without sin. Peter proved he was fallible when he ignorantly tried to persuade Jesus against conquering sin and death; and Jesus rebuked him as Satan (Mt 16:21-23).<br /> <br />Thank you for link to my blog. Further discussion on any Catholic topic is definitely welcomed by me. <br /><br />Sincerely, <br /><br />Greg Kuglin<br /><br />http://andisawabeast.blogspot.comGregory Mathew Kuglinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14600202379290733757noreply@blogger.com