tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post2904962127367990909..comments2023-10-05T08:25:13.232-04:00Comments on Biblical Evidence for Catholicism: Robert Sungenis Continues His Scathing, Ridiculous Attacks on Pope St. John Paul IIDave Armstronghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-1425481934528380212011-06-20T14:04:56.574-04:002011-06-20T14:04:56.574-04:00..Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-56723668324135871592011-06-20T11:56:05.441-04:002011-06-20T11:56:05.441-04:00Erm, yes, well I have had a quick look at said web...Erm, yes, well I have had a quick look at said website and had my theory that Rad-Trads are loons confirmed. Nice to see the freemasons mentioned. No Rad-Trad website is complete without the freemasons. Now, can I find the Knights Templar in there as well...?<br /><br />I recommend every Catholic go onto this website and see the fruits of Rad-Tradism! They may then may make an informed choice as to whether they wish to emulate this, er, mode of operation.<br /><br />I particularly liked this bit in "About our Apostolate:"<br /><br /><br />---<br />Sadly, not every Catholic possesses the knowledge of his religion or the courage of his convictions. Some are known to be timid about exposing such evils as Zionism, Masonry, Americanism, democracy, Vatican II, the holocaust scam, the war on terror hoax, the suppression and falsification of Our Lady of Fatima’s Third Secret, the dangers of the Ecclesia Dei/Indult Mass movement, the cult of sedevacantism ("cult" here referring not to the sedevacantist position per se' but to those who espouse that particular conviction in public conveying the false impression that it is a dogmatic truth rather than a mere personal opinion and nothing more), the rise of American totalitarianism, the coming Universal Satanic Republic – issues thought to be “too hot to handle” and “too controversial.”<br /><br />---<br /><br />Nice. <br /><br />This bit is neat too...<br /><br />---<br /><br />Some are shy about calling the New Mass a sacrilege, which it certainly is. Or saying that the post-Vatican II popes have committed unspeakable acts of betrayal against Christ, which they certainly have. <br />While some are shy about these things, we are not.<br /><br />---<br /><br />Quite. If this is 'balance' ... well, obviously in order to restore balance to Communism one must be a Fascist. I see...<br /><br />Yeah, go and see what kind of 'Catholic' the likes of James sees as balanced.<br /><br />Still looking for the Knights Templar mind...Jedinovicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401504300105353435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-11425213318285156592011-06-20T00:28:45.831-04:002011-06-20T00:28:45.831-04:00Hi,
I know this is off-topic but you guys have to ...Hi,<br />I know this is off-topic but you guys have to check out this blog I discovered.<br /><br /><br />Check out antisharia.com,which I discovered.<br /><br />It gives great arguments against the clever arguments of Muslims:<br /><br />1.The Myth of Well-Treatment of Christians by Turkish Ottomans:<br /><br />http://www.antisharia.com/2011/03/26/the-myth-of-the-well-treatment-of-christians-by-the-ottoman-muslims/<br /><br />1.Article of all the Extremist Passages in Koran (more than 12) that are of Universal Application:<br /><br />http://www.antisharia.com/2011/03/14/about-the-argument-of-diversity-in-islam-and-the-extremist-passages-in-the-koran-2/<br /><br />2.How Sura 5:33-34 of the Koran Literally Justifies the Beheading of Dozens of Westeners in Irak:<br /><br />http://www.antisharia.com/2011/02/14/how-cutting-the-heads-of-western-hostages-is-justified-by-al-qaida-using-koranic-citations/<br /><br /><br /><br />3.Article on How the Koran Nevers Condemns Slavery (instead it makes FREEING A SLAVE be dependent on the MASTER)plus all the Koranic Verses on Slavery:<br /><br />http://www.antisharia.com/2011/03/11/koran-encourages-freeing-slaves-but-its-conditionalif-the-master-approvesplus-other-statements-on-slavery/<br /><br />4.The Really Weird Ideas of Hamas(they blame the Jews for the French Revolution,Communist Revolution,WW I and WW II,etc):<br /><br />http://www.antisharia.com/2011/02/24/the-really-weird-ideas-of-the-muslim-terrorist-group-hamas/<br /><br />5.The Koran's Univeral Curse on Jews and Christians "Till the Day of Resurrection".<br /><br />If a book said blacks/women were cursed till the end of the world it would called a HATE BOOK:<br /><br />http://www.antisharia.com/2011/02/11/allah-as-the-litteral-creator-of-evil-christiansjews-and-evil-persons/<br /><br />6.Undeniable Errors in Sura 10:90-95 about what is Written in the Bible that show the Koran is False:<br /><br />http://www.antisharia.com/2011/02/08/chapter-1090-95-of-the-koran-has-2-false-assertions-about-what-is-in-the-bible/.<br /><br />ALSO AT THE END OF EACH ARTICLE:<br /><br />You have "related posts" with links to other great articles.<br /><br />Also check out avraidire.com,it has articles in English by one of the same authors of antisharia,articles in favor of Christianity.The French articles you can translate with Google translate by copying and pasting:<br /><br />http://translate.google.com/#minoriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08030653596590889158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-18264317686823804272011-06-06T04:57:50.555-04:002011-06-06T04:57:50.555-04:00Anyway, Assisi was a massive POLITICAL statement t...Anyway, Assisi was a massive POLITICAL statement that slapped the secularists in the face. Indeed, I would argue that Pope Benedict could do a lot worse than arrange another Assisi to show the likes of the UK that belief in God tends to mean peace. Though it would be pointless in regards to the UK as it would simply not be reported here.<br /><br />One thing I really have against Pope JPII, though I loved the man, was that he was so focused on the East that he forgot the West, Europe especially. He seemed to assume the West was 'safe.' So he made really bad appointments at multiple levels and never engaged secularism, preferring to focus on Communism, liberation theology and winning the Orthodox over. You can see his Polish past setting his focus can't you?! So while JPII was a global Pope – very much so – he had a Polish focus. He was anti-Communist and pro-Orthodox and looking to the East. Now Pope Benedict 'gets it.' Alas, I fear he has arrived too late and Europe is going to collapse before it re-learns. But Benedict, God bless him, may be the voice who warned the Europeans so they will remember who foretold "The twilight of (their) civilisation" and turn to the one who foresaw. Maybe.<br /><br />But, anyway, as I watched one of these inter-religious protests in Indonesia I saw Assisi. If you stop assuming the world equals the West and that a Pope has to consider the Middle East and it's conflicts, Latin America, South East Asia and China with it's underground Church... then things that seem puzzling to the West make sense. South East Asia has nothing but respect and admiration for Pope JPII.<br /><br /><br />(1) Annoyingly, in South East Asia the Catholics are known as Catholics and the Protestants are Christian. So you can be asked, "Are you Catholic or Christian?" They do not mean that Catholics are not Christian but the label Protestant is unknown out there. I admit I find it a bit irritating.)Jedinovicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401504300105353435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-73204348587315270292011-06-06T04:57:37.249-04:002011-06-06T04:57:37.249-04:00Now, this would be a powerful moment in the UK if ...Now, this would be a powerful moment in the UK if the different religions would come together in, say Hyde Park, and protest, say, the UK's abortion record. But, alas, it will never happen here. There is insufficient critical mass of believers and relations between the religions are more strained than in Indonesia. And, also, the media would never report it and if they did they would somehow make a peaceful protest seem like a declaration of war from the Christians on the Government. The media in Indonesia does not have the Richard Dawkins hate complex that the UK has.<br /><br />Now, when the protest of the day ends in Indonesia and the prayer beads put away, do they different religions then slap each other on the back and say "See! We all believe the same thing really"? No. They break bread together and the Catholics try and convert the Muslims and vice versa! They share common ground where they can but defend their positions with vigour! Is this compromise? No. It is simple recognition of what they can do together but go no further.<br /><br />Anyway, consider Assisi... Did the different religions pray AS ONE in all mixed together to the same 'Deity?' Nope. They did as they do in Indonesia. They separated and prayed in their own form.<br /><br />Now, Assisi was a prayer for PEACE! Remember, Pope John Paul II was Polish! He had lived through both the second world war and the Cold War. He was a Cold War Pope! Peace was deep on his heart. So he gathered the different religions together do what religions do...<br /><br />PRAY!<br /><br />He was sending an advert to the world – a message! That message was the same as in Indonesia. Religion is not causing your wars. We come together and we PRAY. We do not slit each others throats. (Bear in mind that *is* the popular narrative here!) The Pope was being very clever. He was laying down a challenge to the world, and those in religious conflicts especially... if we can come together as pray peacefully, why do you war in the name of your religion? Furthermore, he was showing the disbelieving world that religion is NOT a source of conflict because all the religions COULD all be gathered together PEACEFULLY to pray for PEACE!<br /><br />It was a massive statement. It is actually (insofar as I am allowed to speak of religion at all in the UK which is virtually nil) a counter to the Brits who tell me, "Goes to show that religion is the cause of all the wars in the world." <br /><br />As I say, you have little clue how bad things are here now. After much prayer and discernment – I have a spiritual director – I am leaving for Indonesia in a few months. The UK is convinced it will be a better, happier place when it irradiates religion completely. I know how that ends! So forgive me if I have a downer on the UK. God has graced me for South East Asia and not the UK or Europe. So I cannot handle it here anymore! My spiritual director is aware of that!Jedinovicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401504300105353435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-6726530971619039912011-06-06T04:57:13.009-04:002011-06-06T04:57:13.009-04:00My wife, Catholic from birth, knew NOTHING of reli...My wife, Catholic from birth, knew NOTHING of religious persecution until she came to the UK. All the tales of Muslims hacking people's heads off which is the popular view of Indonesia was lost on her. Her knowledge of ALL the associated religions in Indonesia was of mutual respect. She came to the UK and was reduced to tears by her co-workers turning on her as one when she let it slip she was Catholic. I had warned her what would happen when Brits found out she had any kind of religious belief. Management then had to be called in to stop the harassment – after a week of non-stop intimidation. (As a side note, I advised a friend who was having difficulty getting work that stating he was a Christian on his resume was stopping him getting interviews. He saw my point.)<br /><br />This is necessary background for something that helped paint Assisi for me only yesterday.<br /><br />My wife has located the wonders of the internet and can now watch Indonesian TV via the web! It isn't great TV but it is better than the muck in the UK. (If you are getting the impression I am sick of the UK, you have it right!) Anyway, yesterday she was showing me a example of a common feature of Indonesia... Protests outside Government buildings. Like all democratic societies, protests are common. (Corruption is a problem in Indonesia though it is improving.) However, unlike the secularised West where it is trade unions and political groups that protest, in Indonesia is the RELIGIONS that protest. They are the one that go on sit down protests.<br /><br />So, you know what happens. ALL the major religions – Muslim, Catholic, Protestant(1), Buddhist and Hindu get together and pray! Just like in Assisi! Do they pray to the same God in the same way? No. They gather together to greet each other and then separate, Catholics in one section of the ground, Hindus in another, Muslims in another and they pray separately in their own way but they are ALL visible to the authorities.<br /><br />In so doing they send the following message:<br /><br />1) We do not acknowledge each faith as having the 'truth' as we perceive it. So we do not pray as one in the same way to the same God.<br />2) We do, however, believe in the same principles of peaceful co-existence, respect for God and for each other and we all believe in PEACEFUL protest through prayer.<br />3) We all believe in the same issue – whatever the protest is – and we come together to show our opposition to XYZ.Jedinovicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401504300105353435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-22388551548368517722011-06-06T04:56:56.967-04:002011-06-06T04:56:56.967-04:00Oooooo! Hi praise indeed! :-)
The real name is...Oooooo! Hi praise indeed! :-)<br /><br />The real name is Laurence, by the way. Jedinovice is just my Google Moniker. <br /><br />Oddly enough, something else came to mind as I was driving in this morning. A few facts first, though, before I continue. (I have found getting involved with South East Asia a real eye opener and helps me see things from a Global perspective which a Pope must do. Certain things become clearer.)<br /><br />1) People have no idea just how bad things are in the UK now. Anti-Christian sentiment is very strong and Christians are insulted, harassed and ridiculed on a constant basis. It is far worse than in the US by far. Arrests are taking place and legislation is being passed on a continual basis that is making employing a Christian a dangerous business. Christianity is being systematically closed down here. As a result of a pernicious media the British largely assume that religion is a force for evil and the major cause of war in the world. (Yeah, after the 20th Century of all things but you try telling the Brits!! They will listen to the fact. Our media and 'education' system have worked wonders.) I seriously see the day when Christians are sectioned for treatment for their delusions. <br /><br />2) A word about Indonesia. People assume the country is a hotbed of Islamic fundamentalism. This is the popular myth but is far from true. There are a few isolated areas of total loons, but they are despised by the general public. Indeed, not only is Indonesia undergoing a major revival – enough that the Islamic leadership are getting worried, but relations between the different religions are very good, very peaceful. Unlike the UK, which pretends to be multi-cultural but is really an atheistic state using 'religious tolerance' to close down Christianity, Indonesia really *is* multi-cultural in the sense of not denying it's own religion but giving space to the other faiths. In Indonesia ALL the religious feasts are celebrated with time off. So you only get two weeks leave but it is supplemented by religious holidays every month! <br /><br />3) However, Indonesia is not liberal. While the different faiths co-operate together as much as possible, they retain their separate identities. Indeed, a favourite past time of locals is heated religious debate! Indonesians, the men especially, love to intellectually battle with each other for possible conversion – Muslim to Christian, Christian to Muslim. (Sometimes things get broken!) So the different religions are not regarded as 'the same things.' Respect does not equate to equal in truth.Jedinovicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401504300105353435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-35265041862777649422011-06-06T04:56:36.110-04:002011-06-06T04:56:36.110-04:00This is necessary background for something that he...This is necessary background for something that helped paint Assisi for me only yesterday.<br /><br />My wife has located the wonders of the internet and can now watch Indonesian TV via the web! It isn't great TV but it is better than the muck in the UK. (If you are getting the impression I am sick of the UK, you have it right!) Anyway, yesterday she was showing me a example of a common feature of Indonesia... Protests outside Government buildings. Like all democratic societies, protests are common. (Corruption is a problem in Indonesia though it is improving.) However, unlike the secularised West where it is trade unions and political groups that protest, in Indonesia is the RELIGIONS that protest. They are the one that go on sit down protests.<br /><br />So, you know what happens. ALL the major religions – Muslim, Catholic, Protestant(1), Buddhist and Hindu get together and pray! Just like in Assisi! Do they pray to the same God in the same way? No. They gather together to greet each other and then separate, Catholics in one section of the ground, Hindus in another, Muslims in another and they pray separately in their own way but they are ALL visible to the authorities.<br /><br />In so doing they send the following message:<br /><br />1) We do not acknowledge each faith as having the 'truth' as we perceive it. So we do not pray as one in the same way to the same God.<br />2) We do, however, believe in the same principles of peaceful co-existence, respect for God and for each other and we all believe in PEACEFUL protest through prayer.<br />3) We all believe in the same issue – whatever the protest is – and we come together to show our opposition to XYZ.<br /><br />Now, this would be a powerful moment in the UK if the different religions would come together in, say Hyde Park, and protest, say, the UK's abortion record. But, alas, it will never happen here. There is insufficient critical mass of believers and relations between the religions are more strained than in Indonesia. And, also, the media would never report it and if they did they would somehow make a peaceful protest seem like a declaration of war from the Christians on the Government. The media in Indonesia does not have the Richard Dawkins hate complex that the UK has.<br /><br />Now, when the protest of the day ends in Indonesia and the prayer beads put away, do they different religions then slap each other on the back and say "See! We all believe the same thing really"? No. They break bread together and the Catholics try and convert the Muslims and vice versa! They share common ground where they can but defend their positions with vigour! Is this compromise? No. It is simple recognition of what they can do together but go no further.Jedinovicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401504300105353435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-69108750849431578562011-06-06T04:55:20.260-04:002011-06-06T04:55:20.260-04:00Oooooo! Hi praise indeed! :-)
The real name is...Oooooo! Hi praise indeed! :-)<br /><br />The real name is Laurence, by the way. Jedinovice is just my Google Moniker. <br /><br />Oddly enough, something else came to mind as I was driving in this morning. A few facts first, though, before I continue. (I have found getting involved with South East Asia a real eye opener and helps me see things from a Global perspective which a Pope must do. Certain things become clearer.)<br /><br />1) People have no idea just how bad things are in the UK now. Anti-Christian sentiment is very strong and Christians are insulted, harassed and ridiculed on a constant basis. It is far worse than in the US by far. Arrests are taking place and legislation is being passed on a continual basis that is making employing a Christian a dangerous business. Christianity is being systematically closed down here. As a result of a pernicious media the British largely assume that religion is a force for evil and the major cause of war in the world. (Yeah, after the 20th Century of all things but you try telling the Brits!! They will listen to the fact. Our media and 'education' system have worked wonders.) I seriously see the day when Christians are sectioned for treatment for their delusions. <br /><br />2) A word about Indonesia. People assume the country is a hotbed of Islamic fundamentalism. This is the popular myth but is far from true. There are a few isolated areas of total loons, but they are despised by the general public. Indeed, not only is Indonesia undergoing a major revival – enough that the Islamic leadership are getting worried, but relations between the different religions are very good, very peaceful. Unlike the UK, which pretends to be multi-cultural but is really an atheistic state using 'religious tolerance' to close down Christianity, Indonesia really *is* multi-cultural in the sense of not denying it's own religion but giving space to the other faiths. In Indonesia ALL the religious feasts are celebrated with time off. So you only get two weeks leave but it is supplemented by religious holidays every month! <br /><br />3) However, Indonesia is not liberal. While the different faiths co-operate together as much as possible, they retain their separate identities. Indeed, a favourite past time of locals is heated religious debate! Indonesians, the men especially, love to intellectually battle with each other for possible conversion – Muslim to Christian, Christian to Muslim. (Sometimes things get broken!) So the different religions are not regarded as 'the same things.' Respect does not equate to equal in truth.<br /><br />My wife, Catholic from birth, knew NOTHING of religious persecution until she came to the UK. All the tales of Muslims hacking people's heads off which is the popular view of Indonesia was lost on her. Her knowledge of ALL the associated religions in Indonesia was of mutual respect. She came to the UK and was reduced to tears by her co-workers turning on her as one when she let it slip she was Catholic. I had warned her what would happen when Brits found out she had any kind of religious belief. Management then had to be called in to stop the harassment – after a week of non-stop intimidation. (As a side note, I advised a friend who was having difficulty getting work that stating he was a Christian on his resume was stopping him getting interviews. He saw my point.)Jedinovicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401504300105353435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-52131295933144941282011-06-05T18:01:41.947-04:002011-06-05T18:01:41.947-04:00@Jedinovice...excellent points brother. These radt...@Jedinovice...excellent points brother. These radtrads are really barking on the wrong tree that they are just so obsessed with their own intellectual supremacy of Sacred Tradition that they become the very thing they abhor - without them realizing.<br /><br />In orther words, they think (like Luther and Calvin did) they are the real deal having the charism of the Holy Spirit and not the Living Authority of the Church.<br /><br />Sad indeed for catholics, well in every ratified Councils of the Church in her entire 2,000 years of history there will be always be dissidents from within and without.<br /><br />Nice piece though.Jaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08949794711507726903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-21016132007933358842011-06-05T14:40:42.574-04:002011-06-05T14:40:42.574-04:00Maybe so! My wife has that . . .Maybe so! My wife has that . . .Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-49098837860380954872011-06-05T12:02:45.658-04:002011-06-05T12:02:45.658-04:00^^^
Proof again. Sometimes I wonder if I am mildly...^^^<br />Proof again. Sometimes I wonder if I am mildly dyslexic! LOL!Jedinovicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401504300105353435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-20650005112174342112011-06-05T11:34:40.466-04:002011-06-05T11:34:40.466-04:00Thanks. An apologoes for the numerous typos. I am...Thanks. An apologoes for the numerous typos. I am a terrible proof reader.Jedinovicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401504300105353435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-45138623283079603272011-06-05T11:19:10.759-04:002011-06-05T11:19:10.759-04:00VERY excellent points. Thanks!VERY excellent points. Thanks!Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-16814313629084190362011-06-05T09:19:36.287-04:002011-06-05T09:19:36.287-04:00So the ‘argument’ the Rad-Trads uses that “Everyth...So the ‘argument’ the Rad-Trads uses that “Everything went to rot when we brought the Mass into the vernacular and had the Freemasons dictate Vatican II to us” can be disproven by their own terms! Everything did not go to rot. Things went wrong in the *West* but the West is not the world! I learnt that the day I walked in on Filipinos! The sexual revolution, however, that ate up the West, had started even before the Bishops met and was well underway before they closed up!<br /><br />So, if we take the whole world into account, are our recent Popes not worth a bit of congratulating on their WORLD WIDE success? (Naw, ‘cause it’s the Latin, see? No Latin, no Church., Stands to reason…)<br /><br />Which Matatics and Sugenis et al are all operating on a very small mind set indeed which does not see the Catholic Church as Catholic but only as Western.<br /><br /><br />I mention this so the bigger picture is seen.Jedinovicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401504300105353435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-81212850164922851202011-06-05T09:18:42.888-04:002011-06-05T09:18:42.888-04:00I am sorry (no I’m not actually,) but the Rad-Trad...I am sorry (no I’m not actually,) but the Rad-Trad analysis of the Western Faith crisis is awful.<br /><br />Let us consider, for a moment their claim the rot set in directly because of the second Vatican Council and the Pauline rite, plus the action of the subsequent Popes. OK, let’s roll with that.<br /><br />The Second Vatican council was a full ecumenical council with the Bishops of the world represented. The proclamations of the Council were binding on the ENTIRE WORLD. Got that? The whole world. The Pauline rite (with a few exceptions) was shipped out world wide. It is, for the most part, the rite of Africa and South East Asia. (I have seen the Pauline rite used as standard in both the Philippines and Indonesia, as examples.)<br /><br />Right… given that Vatican II and the policies of the Pope following it have been a MAJOR CAUSE of collapse of Catholic belief and practice then we would see the resultant collapse post VCII and it would be world wide.<br /><br />Neither of which are true. <br /><br />Taking the latter first, it is BOOM time for Catholics (and Christians of all shakes) in Africa, South America and South East Asia. Indonesia, for example, where my wife hails from is having a major revival! Not reported by the West mind and ignored by Western Christians who prefer to think the Country is hotbed of Islamic led persecution which it isn’t but what the heck… Indonesia has on the biggest and quietest revivals in recent history. It’s really odd how it is being ignored even by the Christians here. But the Islam majority are very worried!<br /><br />Anyway, if the Pauline rite was the result of the fall of Catholicism then we would expect to see the falling away of Catholics EVERYWHERE the Pauline rite was used. Not so. Ditto the all the countries that adopted VCII - which is, er, all of them. We would see WORLDWIDE apostacy!!! But we don’t. Indeed, the rot exists in the Western Church and the Western Church ONLY!! Which, while a considerable chunk of the Church is not even the majority, all tallied.<br /><br />Even the timing is wrong. In the UK, belief in God started falling, you know when…? 1963 When ‘the pill’ was introduced. Not country in the world fell so fast or so completely to the sexual revolution than the UK. It was someone flicked a switch. The moment the switch was flicked can be traded directly back to the arrival of the contraceptive pill and the Beatles. If the rot started as a result of VCII – and NOT due to other factors - would expect falling away to start in 1970 or so. As it was, things were starting to fail in the West WHILE the council was taking place.<br /><br />It was the sexual revolution that threw the West and nothing to do with Vatican II et al. Indeed, while we cannot see a correlation between the use of the ‘new’ Mass and Church attendance, we can see an ABSOLUTE correlation between the acceptance of the sexual revolution – which I regard as nothing more than the worship of Baal – and a country abandoning God. The East has manifestly NOT bought into the free sex mantra and so Christianity, Catholicism especially, continues to blossom and grow. More than ever actually and countries that were once considered closed to Catholicism suddenly have revival on their hands!<br /><br />Indeed, if we are to judge our Popes by their evangelistic fruits then the post-VCII Popes while I think they CAN be blamed for getting the assault on the West wrong (Pope JP, much as I loved him, did let the West fall) they can be massively congratulated on their fruits from Africa, Asia and South East Asia.Jedinovicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401504300105353435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-10014730578876357532011-06-04T13:43:44.509-04:002011-06-04T13:43:44.509-04:00@ James said, "most ironically your blatant a...@ James said, "most ironically your blatant and most virulent judgments (of the person himself) and condemnations of Dr. Sungenis make you sound like you have set yourselves up as the Office of the Holy Inquisition".<br /><br />AND, "diabolical disorientation..Would you not further agree that the post Vatican II pontiffs have not played a significant role in contributing to this situation?"<br /><br />REPLY: We are just defending the Catholic Church against the relentless attacks from enemies within (and without). Bob Sungenis and Ultra radTrads were the ones on the offensive and when we correct their mistakes then YOU complained to us of virulent judgment? For your info sir, you are the ones committing that grave act together with other RadTrads undermining the very Authority of Pope and Bishops in communion with him (which of course you know is the Magisterium of the Church).<br /><br />For the secong point were you implying as with other radTrads about Vat2 and Pontiffs as "inferior", "diabolical disorientation"?<br /><br />Did you ever consider yourself as the one of what you were describing against the Church? Martin Luther said the same exact words against the pope and the Church, don't you know that?<br /><br />Typical complain and rants from RadTrads which is really the only thing what they are good at.<br /><br /><br />Again just answer this, James:<br /><br />If there is a dispute between two abiding Catholic christians, WHO has the Authority to settle dispute?<br /><br />1. Magisterium of the Church<br />2. Bob Sungenis/SSPX/Me<br />3. Protestant churches<br /><br />Jesus pointed only to ONE (Matthew 18:15, Luke 10:16), so choose wisely.Jaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08949794711507726903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-30369906478237631502011-06-04T10:56:11.655-04:002011-06-04T10:56:11.655-04:00I presently go to a Roman Catholic Church (and hav...<i>I presently go to a Roman Catholic Church (and have for many years) and not one which is schismatic or heretical in any way.</i><br /><br />Which parish is that? Does your priest know you are saying the kinds of things you are saying, and supporting Bob's outrageous insults of two Holy Fathers (one now beatified)?Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-28197524674085648002011-06-03T23:20:47.467-04:002011-06-03T23:20:47.467-04:00CORRECTION to my last sentence in my last above po...CORRECTION to my last sentence in my last above post. It should read: Would you not further agree that the post Vatican II pontiffs have played a significant role in contributing to this situation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-68032083890814288562011-06-03T23:15:34.451-04:002011-06-03T23:15:34.451-04:00Dave,
The very fact that you and Dr. Sungenis (a...Dave, <br /><br />The very fact that you and Dr. Sungenis (along with so many other Catholics) have such strong disagreements over these matters under discussion is a manifestation and result of post Vatican II Shepherds who have been struck and sheep who have been scattered.<br /><br />Would you not agree that the Church to a significant degree is presently in, and has been in for a good number of years, a state of (in the words of Sister Lucia of Fatima) "diabolical disorientation?" Would you not further agree that the post Vatican II pontiffs have not played a significant role in contributing to this situation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-64200828401526310412011-06-03T20:41:48.485-04:002011-06-03T20:41:48.485-04:00I presently go to a Roman Catholic Church (and hav...<i>I presently go to a Roman Catholic Church (and have for many years) and not one which is schismatic or heretical in any way.</i> <br /><br />Which parish is that? Does your priest know you are saying the kinds of things you are saying, and supporting Bob's outrageous insults of two Holy Fathers (one now beatified)?Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-80834805683858445492011-06-03T20:38:09.525-04:002011-06-03T20:38:09.525-04:00Rob:
I'm not that patient! I think it is most...Rob:<br /><br />I'm not that patient! I think it is mostly a Prov 26:4 case. I am applying Prov 26:5 only on a limited basis (as in my latest analysis of his treatment of Galatians 2), for the purpose of exposure and hopefully to wake up Bob before it is too late for him. <br /><br />The <i>hubris</i> and tunnel vision involved here is indeed both shocking and astonishing.Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-16093385545024238712011-06-03T18:58:40.661-04:002011-06-03T18:58:40.661-04:00Dave,
I have not been called as an expert witness...Dave,<br /><br />I have not been called as an expert witness in a court of law or otherwise nor do I hold myself out to be one. None of the statements I have made in this thread are of a nature which would require any particular expertise.<br /><br />You state in reference to myself: "Why should I even take seriously a person who tells us nothing whatever about himself, so that there is no accountability?" That would be a very pertinent question in some settings. In the context of this thread, however, the question is misguided. <br /><br />What is at issue here is NOT the character or personal history of James Phillips (my real name) including what church (you ask) I go to; nor is it any particular motivation in saying what I have said. What IS at issue is simply the simple truth or falsity of what I say. What I have said is not of any particular technical or complicated nature. People can read it for what it is and make their own judgment.<br /><br />That said, I will, nevertheless, consent to answering your question and then some. I am a cradle Roman Catholic and as a child I later received the Sacraments of Penance, Holy Communion, and Confirmation. I was later married -- my only marriage -- by a Roman Catholic Priest in a Roman Catholic Church and remain married. I presently go to a Roman Catholic Church (and have for many years) and not one which is schismatic or heretical in any way. <br /><br />I greatly love my Catholic faith and pray that I would have the grace and courage to die for it if ever called upon to do so.<br /><br />James Phillips<br /><br />P.S. Not that I even care, but I note that some of your other contributors in this thread have no profile available for viewing! Tsk, tsk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-82324925421537672142011-06-03T17:53:24.862-04:002011-06-03T17:53:24.862-04:00Dave, You are a patient man. But are you sure thi...Dave, You are a patient man. But are you sure this is a Proverbs 26:5 case? I think it may already be a Proverbs 26:12 matter with Sungenis who seems still trapped in a Fundamentalist straitjacket of private interpretation, incapable of the most basic habit of the Catholic mind: Sentire cum Ecclesia. For his sake, I hope you're right and I'm wrong.merecatholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03518020476463694232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-31453784681007480752011-06-03T15:50:51.537-04:002011-06-03T15:50:51.537-04:00Stony silence . . .Stony silence . . .Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.com