tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post116440891159212334..comments2023-10-05T08:25:13.232-04:00Comments on Biblical Evidence for Catholicism: Catholic Predestination (Ludwig Ott)Dave Armstronghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-25244041106870296492015-09-09T10:17:14.131-04:002015-09-09T10:17:14.131-04:00Here's some material about Romans 9 that may i...Here's some material about Romans 9 that may interest you:<br /><br />http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2010/04/bible-vs-double-predestination-lack-of-parallelism-in-descriptions-of-the-damned-non-calvinist-exegesis-of-romans-9.htmlDave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-57429230312075129502015-09-09T04:06:03.612-04:002015-09-09T04:06:03.612-04:00Although I'm Catholic, I've been a bit fru...Although I'm Catholic, I've been a bit frustrated with the lack of clear and coherent explanation of predestination and freewill that makes sense of both. <br /><br />I have to be honest -- I actually approach Romans 8-11 more in line with Eastern Orthodoxy, Wesley, and a modern scholar N.T. Wright: http://ntwrightpage.com/Wright_Romans_Theology_Paul.pdf<br /><br />And If N.T. Wright is correct (and he seems to have strong backing in tradition) -- then Romans 9 is not REALLY a question about personal salvation (or people's final destiny) at ALL. Calvinists (following especially AUgustine on this line) have created a frustrating theological puzzle where I think none exists at all!<br /><br />Dan Carollohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00681917671041252830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-40619089278808226682013-04-04T03:46:13.282-04:002013-04-04T03:46:13.282-04:00The very thought of predestination terrifies me. I...The very thought of predestination terrifies me. I have read the Catholic position: you are predestined but then again you are not! Either way, why bother? This dogma is then surrounded by lengthy tomes which merely pour ink into cloudy water. Since I have only three university degrees so I am only able to understand plain English. I have yet to see the subject subjected to plain English. Is there anything at all that the faithful can do to either save or damn themselves? This is a simple enough question I should think. I shudder to think what I might say to a catecumen if they asked me whether it is possible to be saved when and all-knowing God already knows you are damned. The PhD/DTh level musings would go over like a lead balloon, PhDs being people who spend a great deal of time learning more and more about less and less and are still incapable of explaining what little they know. This question, a vital one, has not been answered, and it is one unanswered question that could turn a good person away from the faith out of confusion and despondency.<br />Donaxtus Augustinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11525314676483787772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-14608960028619621932013-02-24T06:40:51.367-05:002013-02-24T06:40:51.367-05:00This seems to help. Though I'm not sure what t...This seems to help. Though I'm not sure what the difference between Calvin's view and post et propter praevisa merita really is. Trusty Shacklefordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01466177553653840412noreply@blogger.com