tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post114479073940959374..comments2023-10-05T08:25:13.232-04:00Comments on Biblical Evidence for Catholicism: Mortal and Venial Sin: The Garden-Variety Objection Answered, + Strong Biblical SupportDave Armstronghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-11666598038346865672013-11-17T14:59:54.125-05:002013-11-17T14:59:54.125-05:00Thanks for your interesting comment!Thanks for your interesting comment!Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-47711469107520472092013-11-17T08:17:17.805-05:002013-11-17T08:17:17.805-05:00I never understood how there could be a doubt abou...I never understood how there could be a doubt about the existence of mortal and venial sin.<br /><br />If in the Bible - even despite context and interpretation - there is reference to greater or lesser sins, there must be at least two levels of sin.<br /><br />I find it ironic that some Christian denominations will state that "we are saved by grace alone through faith regardless of what specific sin we commit" as Brittany stated. But what about those who do sin, but do not have faith in God? Even if we accept the Protestant view that faith alone saves (which I do not accept for very logical reasons), is there not then a gap between those who accept Christ in their hearts? Is this not an example of mortal and venial sin? For although we are all sinners, some commit the sin of not accepting the mercy of God. One sinner goes to heaven, another goes to hell...<br /><br />It seems that the majority of non-Catholic viewpoints on this only disagree with what constitutes a mortal sin. For clearly it would be a contradiction to say that all sin is mortal, but those who have faith in God will go to heaven. This is absurd, for the sin would no longer be mortal... one is either dead, or alive. Alive in Christ or dead in hell. Surely, if someone goes to hell, his/her sin is deadly. It makes no sense to say that those in heaven, though sinners, are dead in sin. What good is heaven then, if one is dead in sin? On the contrary, Christ clearly says some are not saved, for he will separate the goats from the sheep.<br /><br />If we are all sinners - which Protestants believe as well as Catholics - then clearly some, though in sin will obtain heaven. Then their sin cannot be deadly...<br /><br />The only theological way - it seems - is to deny that anyone goes to hell, or anyone goes to heaven. Both are absurd, and would present many theological problems.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10105699390804791119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-78530355470391320842013-02-28T13:46:17.150-05:002013-02-28T13:46:17.150-05:00The Catechism of the Catholic Church says in parag...The Catechism of the Catholic Church says in paragraph 1446 that, "Christ instituted the sacrament of Penance for all sinful members of his Church: above all for those who, since Baptism, have fallen into grave sin, and have thus lost their baptismal grace and wounded ecclesial communion. It is to them that the sacrament of Penance offers a new possibility to convert and to recover the grace of justification. The Fathers of the Church present this sacrament as "the second plank [of salvation] after the shipwreck which is the loss of grace.""<br /><br />According to Pope John Paul II the Catechism of the Catholic Church "is given as a sure and authentic reference text for teaching Catholic doctrine."<br /><br />A confession bible verse John 20:23Bridgettahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06188523819526722606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-71281720919498271362012-01-11T23:43:24.657-05:002012-01-11T23:43:24.657-05:00Thanks. I did mention the similar passage: Rev 22;...Thanks. I did mention the similar passage: Rev 22;15.Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-20878664733554856032012-01-11T23:03:22.515-05:002012-01-11T23:03:22.515-05:00You forgot to also include Apocalypse 21:8 which g...You forgot to also include Apocalypse 21:8 which gives a list of who will be sent to hell [the pool of fire that is the second death].<br />The article is really great though. The refernces you do have are numerous and powerful.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06170832568240766679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-52205237691109823452010-05-05T00:05:06.819-04:002010-05-05T00:05:06.819-04:00danznsing1387.
Amen and GBUdanznsing1387.<br />Amen and GBUMarounhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17891800446559973689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-43371580901742201202010-05-04T22:20:23.024-04:002010-05-04T22:20:23.024-04:00I apologize for being unclear before. I in no way...I apologize for being unclear before. I in no way mean that faith alone saves without its accompanying action. Maroun you are absolutely right. With faith and loving God comes obedience to God. James 2 addresses this quite strongly. I'm merely asserting a)that there is no specific sin that if repented of still leads to condemnation, and b)that God judges the condition of our hearts. If our hearts are not pure, we will in turn go on sinning. However if we make a mistake and ask God for forgiveness, I believe He grants it regardless of the sin we have committed. It seems to me that the "seven deadly sins" are viewed as sins that if committed, permanently condemn a person unless they are absolved through a priest via Catholic processes. I am just trying to say that I believe God forgives us of any and all sin if we are truly remorseful and desire to turn away from the mistakes we've made, living a better life for Him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-59667214894487240902010-05-04T04:19:11.939-04:002010-05-04T04:19:11.939-04:00Brittany said...Those individuals were not surrend...Brittany said...Those individuals were not surrendering their hearts to the will of God.<br /><br />Hi Brittany . Are you telling us that the reformers taught that every true believer will surrender his or her heart to the will of God?<br />Could you plz tell us , which reformer taught that?Martin Luther or John Calvin?And where and when did they quote that?Because , the catholic church teaches that faith alone does not save and not the reformers,in fact they teach exactly the contrary,and that is faith alone saves ( sola fides ) and works and changing of hearts is nonexistent for them.In fact they taught that the sinner which believes will always remain the same as before,with the difference that God will overlook and will not impute his sins anymore...<br />So as Dave quoted and explained to you,why all the warnings in the new testament , that those who will live in a certain way will not inherit God`s kingdom if as you said,all you have to do is to have faith?????<br />Faith alone does not save , if it does not manifest itself thrue love , i mean faith is actualy also obedience,it`s not enough and useless to say i believe you Lord when you say , do not steal,but i wont stop stealing,i believe you Lord when you tell me,do not commit adultery but i wont stop commiting adultery...And so on.And that is why st James specificaly said that faith alone without works doe not save...<br />Plz go and check your scripture.<br />GBUMarounhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17891800446559973689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-81260506522815335032010-05-04T03:05:12.995-04:002010-05-04T03:05:12.995-04:00If we seek Him earnestly it doesn't matter wha...<i>If we seek Him earnestly it doesn't matter what we've done in the past.</i><br /><br />That's absolutely correct. But it matters what we do in the future, because we can fall away by falling into mortal sin and putting ourselves outside of God's grace by our lack of repentance:<br /><br /><i>Assurance of Salvation</i><br /><br />http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2006/11/assurance-of-instant-salvation.html<br /><br /><i>"Certainty" of Eternal Life? (1 John 5:13 and John 5:24)</i><br /><br />http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2006/01/certainty-of-eternal-life-1-john-513.html<br /><br /><i>Catholic Exegesis of Biblical Passages Allegedly Suggesting Absolute Assurance of Salvation</i><br /><br />http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2006/01/catholic-exegesis-of-biblical-passages.html<br /><br /><i>Dialogue With a Calvinist on Whether it is Possible to Fall Away from Grace or Salvation</i><br /><br />http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2009/07/dialogue-with-calvinist-on-whether.html<br /><br />Faith and works are intertwined: They cannot be separated:<br /><br /><i>St. Paul's Teaching on the Organic Relationship of Grace / Faith and Works / Action / Obedience (Collection of 50 Pauline Passages)</i><br /><br />http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2008/08/st-pauls-teaching-on-organic.htmlDave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-81994802912489535122010-05-04T02:59:08.366-04:002010-05-04T02:59:08.366-04:00If works have absolutely nothing to do with salvat...If works have absolutely nothing to do with salvation (in terms of being the proof of authentic faith, as Luther and Calvin would say), why is it that works, not faith alone, are central in every passage in the Bible that discusses judgment?:<br /><br /><i>Final Judgment in Scripture is Always Associated With Works And Never With Faith Alone (50 Passages)</i><br /><br />http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2008/02/final-judgment-and-eternal-destiny-in.htmlDave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-30995449066931697942010-05-04T01:33:13.822-04:002010-05-04T01:33:13.822-04:00In addition is 1 Timothy 2:13, "If we are fai...In addition is 1 Timothy 2:13, "If we are faithless, He will remain faithful, for He cannot deny himself." This is further proof that nothing we ever do can remove us from God's love. If we seek Him earnestly it doesn't matter what we've done in the past. I welcome any feedback you have regarding my comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-73098657850376654902010-05-04T01:04:02.874-04:002010-05-04T01:04:02.874-04:00For the record, the verses you quoted to support t...For the record, the verses you quoted to support that the Bible differentiates sin are taken out of context and misinterpreted. Most of them involve a state of constant sin in which people are unrepentantly living in sin. They are not condemned because of the sin they are committing but rather because of their individual hearts toward God and His will. They are willfully disobeying God continuously and have no desire to change.<br /><br />Also, I concede that the Bible does mention different people being guilty of more grievous sin. Again, the statement is not against the sin itself, but the condition of the heart. Those individuals were not surrendering their hearts to the will of God. The Bible says, "19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.<br /> 21But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Romans 3:19-23. The seven deadly sins in question are only mentioned as a list in the Old Testament in Proverbs. This makes them part of the Law that is referenced in the New Testament that is redefined by the sacrifice of Jesus. Our righteousness is achieved "apart from the Law" and therefore apart from our actions. We are saved by grace alone through faith regardless of what specific sin we commit.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02946173800263914811noreply@blogger.com