tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post113599962680386474..comments2023-10-05T08:25:13.232-04:00Comments on Biblical Evidence for Catholicism: Council of Trent: Canons on Justification (with a handy summary of Tridentine soteriology)Dave Armstronghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-30509763954710442192012-10-03T11:19:45.168-04:002012-10-03T11:19:45.168-04:00Hi Jules,
I think you have a fine understanding o...Hi Jules,<br /><br />I think you have a fine understanding of it, and that you need not worry. You have grasped it. <br /><br />It is all these teachings taken together that explain the Catholic position, which is why I tried to summarize them.<br /><br />I have lots more papers on these matters on my Salvation and Justification web page.Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-74975770639036226812012-10-03T11:12:51.975-04:002012-10-03T11:12:51.975-04:00I have a question. I am a Catholic but I spent thr...I have a question. I am a Catholic but I spent three and a half years as a Protestant when I first came back to the faith, and now I am a practicing Catholic again.<br /><br />Could you explain to me Canon 2 on Justification? I have heard and read many Catholic writers who have said that by justification we are able to merit heaven, which I do not dispute since that is very clear from the Bible. Attaching (or ingrafting) ourselves to Christ through His Sacraments we become "Partakers of the Divine Nature" and thus the way to heaven is opened "provided you persevere to the end". However Canon 2 on Justification seems clear to me that that wasn't the SOLE purpose of the death of Christ on the Cross. In other words He didn't just die for us so that we could become effective servants and earn heaven. That sounds too mechanical to me, too much like a business transaction. He also loved us and wanted us to enter into a love relationship with the Father. Is my understanding correct of this Canon? Is that what it means?<br /><br />If I am correct, Protestants get upset at the notion that salvation is in part by works because it would put into question the unconditional love of God. However there is no problem with "earning" salvation when you are in a love relationship with God, and He enables us to do the good works to get there; but His love for us, its sole purpose is not just so that we can do good works. To me this doctrine does not undermine the love of God.<br /><br />Do I have a good understanding of this?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02720380534965898275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-11442396569440444572012-02-24T01:01:18.465-05:002012-02-24T01:01:18.465-05:00Bob and Bill .
Could you please both of you be ki...Bob and Bill . <br />Could you please both of you be kind enough and tell us , how is Trent against saint Paul and his doctrine on justification?<br />By the way , there is no such thing as Pauline doctrine of justification as if you are saying that in the bible and in the new testament there are different doctrines of justification .<br />So again and very humbly and kindly , i insist that you explain to us Catholics , which canon of the council of Trent contradicted saint Paul and the bible ?<br />Thank you both very much in advance for the tons of explanations whith which you are going to provide us .<br />GBUMarounhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17891800446559973689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-45011199042035128942012-02-23T22:17:33.197-05:002012-02-23T22:17:33.197-05:00There are many good reasons not to be a Protestant...There are many good reasons not to be a Protestant. You can only come to the conclusions of the Reformers by tossing out large portions of the New Testament and making up your own doctrines, which the Reformers certainly did. <br /><br />If I have to decide between the doctrines of the Apostle Paul and the those of the Reformers and bet my soul on the outcome, I will go with the Apostle.Adomnanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15746373228302022418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-29078838392477994472012-02-23T21:00:12.022-05:002012-02-23T21:00:12.022-05:00There are many good reasons here not to be a Catho...There are many good reasons here not to be a Catholic. You can only come to the conclusions of the Council of Trent by tossing out large portions of the New Testament and making up your own doctrines, which the Catholic Church claims it has the power to do.<br /><br />If I have to decide between the doctrines of the Apostle Paul and the theologians of the Roman Catholic Church and bet my soul on the outcome, I will go with the Apostle.Bill from Oregonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07345173879198853435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6422857.post-82247944118123209062011-07-20T15:32:40.956-04:002011-07-20T15:32:40.956-04:00Yup. I'm anathamatized by Trent- as are all wh...Yup. I'm anathamatized by Trent- as are all who believe the Pauline doctrine of justification.<br /><br />Rome isn't anti-Lutheran. It just condemns all of us to hell. Nice that it's inconsistently said otherwise elsewhere (interesting that the equally "infallible" Vatican II and Trent contradict each other on this point). Presumably, though, you are at least honest enough to recognize the JDDJ for the fraud it is.Robert Elart Watershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18182251436190781481noreply@blogger.com