Friday, August 31, 2007

Review of The One-Minute Apologist by Carl E. Olson, in National Catholic Register

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Got a Minute?

BY CARL E. OLSON

THE ONE-MINUTE APOLOGIST Essential Catholic Replies to Over Sixty Common
Protestant Claims
by Dave Armstrong
Sophia Institute Press, 2007
145 pages, $12.95
To order: 1-800-888-9344
sophiainstitute.com

I first heard of Dave Armstrong 12 years ago when I read Surprised By Truth, a compilation of testimonies by 11 converts to Catholicism, most of them from Protestant backgrounds.
Armstrong had spent time in a number of Protestant denominations — Methodist, Lutheran, Pentecostal and evangelical — before entering the Catholic Church in 1991.

I soon came across Armstrong again, this time on the Internet, where he was busy building one of the first Catholic apologetic websites, then called Biblical Evidence for Catholicism, and now titled Cor ad Cor Loquitur (Heart Speaks to Heart), a phrase taken from one of Armstrong’s heroes, Cardinal John Henry Newman.

Armstrong’s site and writings have grown steadily ever since; he has engaged in numerous written debates with non-Catholics on just about every topic imaginable, often at great length and in substantial detail.

As he notes in the introduction to The One-Minute Apologist, “I’ve been known, in some Internet circles, for writing lengthy tomes on my website and blog.” But, he adds, writing this new book has helped him to “more fully appreciate the importance and utility of short treatments as well.”

In fact, this book is commendable for being pithy and precise while never being either simplistic or dense, an indication of how well Armstrong knows his subject matter and his audience. In fact, this is the sort of book that could only be written by someone who has spent countless hours studying, articulating and discussing the Catholic faith, to the point that he knows how to accurately answer questions and clearly correct misunderstandings.

Two previous books by Armstrong, A Biblical Defense of Catholicism and The Catholic Verses (both published by Sophia), were lengthier and more theologically involved works. This new book is meant for those who are looking to get their feet wet (and set) in responding to what Armstrong calls “garden-variety” objections to Catholicism.”

Sixty-one such objections are addressed in two pages each, with topics including Scripture, the Church, the papacy, the priesthood, the sacraments, salvation, God, Mary, and the Saints.
Most of the objections are the sort often voiced by fundamentalists or conservative Evangelicals: the Catholic Church added illegitimate books to the Bible, Jesus did not make Peter the leader of the apostles, baptism is merely a symbolic rite, and so forth.

Others come from the other end of the theological spectrum, and some are from pseudo-Christian groups such as Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Unitarians. These include objections made against the dogma of the Trinity, the personhood of the Holy Spirit, the Incarnation and the existence of hell.

Each topic is addressed in a four-part format: objection, reply, follow-up objection, and counter-reply, followed by a citation on the topic, often from a Protestant source.

My only criticism of the book is the absence of citations for these excellent concluding quotes. [I didn't like that, either, and wrote a post to provide this information that was in my manuscript], Most of the replies contain appropriate quotes from Scripture, in addition to numerous other citations that readers can explore further on their own.

When necessary, the content of authoritative Church teaching is explained by referring to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Church councils and papal documents. There are also quotes from Protestant leaders and theologians, indicating the range of disagreements within Protestantism as well as how far many contemporary Protestants have moved from the beliefs of Martin Luther, John Calvin and other Protestant fathers.

The writing is punchy but never pugnacious. For example, responding to the objection that “formal ritual is opposed to vibrant spiritual life,” Armstrong begins by stating: “If formal worship or religious ritual were always opposed to a sincere, heartfelt adoration and praise of God, then certainly God wouldn’t have commanded it in the Bible.”

He then shows where, when, and why God did indeed command formal worship and ritual.
Accessible and substantial, The One-Minute Apologist will help readers in need of timely answers. And, just as important, it should serve as an inviting introduction to the richness and fullness of the Catholic Faith.

Carl E. Olson writes from

Eugene, Oregon.

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Carl Olson is the editor of the online magazine IgnatiusInsight.com and moderator of the Ignatius Press web log, the Insight Scoop blog. He is the author of Will Catholics Be “Left Behind? A Catholic Critique of the Rapture and Today's Prophecy Preachers (Ignatius Press, 2003) and co-author (with Sandra Miesel) of the best-selling The Da Vinci Hoax: Exposing the Errors in The Da Vinci Code (Ignatius Press, 2004). He has also written a number of book reviews, mostly for This Rock and National Catholic Register, does a monthly column on apologetics for National Catholic Register, and regular feature pieces for Our Sunday Visitor.

Critique of Martin Chemnitz' Examination of Trent: Bible, Tradition, and the Church Fathers, Part II (Various Fathers and Arguments)

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Painter unknown, Council of Trent in Santa Maria Maggiore church, c. 1600

This is the fourth installment of what is to be a lengthy series of replies to the prominent 16th century Lutheran theologian Martin Chemnitz' Examination of the Council of Trent, Part I (St. Louis: Concordia Pub. House, 1971; translated by Fred Kramer) -- and probably volumes 2-4 also, as time permits. Here are the previous three:

Martin Chemnitz is "The Man" for Lutherans; It's Time to Address His Arguments Directly

Critique of Martin Chemnitz' Examination of Trent: Scripture I (Poisoning the Well as to the Catholic Rule of Faith and Veneration of Holy Scripture)

Critique of Martin Chemnitz' Examination of Trent: Bible, Tradition, and the Church Fathers, Part I (Preliminaries, St. Irenaeus, & Tertullian)

Before proceeding, I need to make a very important clarification that always comes up in these debates with Protestants over sola Scriptura and the Fathers allegedly espousing same (or, at any rate, some position on authority closer to Protestantism than Catholicism). This comes from a tongue-in-cheek paper of mine where I turned the tables on the usual logically-challenged tactics that Protestants apply to the Fathers in this regard, and "proved" that I, too, believed in sola Scriptura, because (after all) one can easily cite tons of positive statements I have made about Holy Scripture (with original bolding removed and italics added presently):
It's easy to pretend that these Fathers believed as Protestants do when you only cite one aspect of their beliefs and writings and omit equally important portions about Tradition and the authority of the Church and apostolic succession.

. . . a half-truth is as bad as an untruth. Like I said, if you only cite them talking about Scripture, with carefully selected tidbits, chosen for the Protestant "ear", then they will sound like Protestants, especially if someone is predisposed to anachronistically read Protestantism into their views in the first place.

. . . This is why you must also see what these same Fathers think about Tradition, the Church, Councils, bishops, and apostolic succession, and then consider their entire view, not portions of it removed from immediate context and their overall thought.
This must always be kept in mind in these types of debates, as it is supremely relevant. Chemnitz, not surprisingly, falls prey to the same basic logical fallacy. We see it repeatedly throughout his treatment of the subject of Scripture and Tradition; particularly in his Section V, pp. 150-167, where he compiles statements by the Fathers on the Scripture and its place in the Rule of Faith and only infallible norm of doctrine (as virtually all Protestants believe), etc.

He cites St. Augustine (many times), St. Irenaeus, St. John Chrysostom (eight times), St. Athanasius, St. Jerome (four times), St. Basil (three times), Origen (four times), Epiphanius, St. Cyril of Jerusalem (twice), St. Ambrose, Lactantius, St. Cyprian, and Tertullian (thirteen in all).

I've dealt with the views on Bible and Tradition of most of these Fathers, in considerable depth, and with much documentation, in the past: for example, St. Augustine, St. John Chrysostom, St. Cyril of Jerusalem, St. Irenaeus, and St. Basil the Great, in my in-depth public debate with anti-Catholic apologist Jason Engwer (he departed, by the way, in the middle of the debate, after counter-replying about only four of the Fathers I researched). None of them, of course, believed in sola Scriptura, or anything like it, and all held views virtually identical to Catholic beliefs, then and now.

I showed in my last installment of this series how shabbily and fallaciously Chemnitz treated St. Irenaeus' views, and also Tertullian's. I treated the subject of St. Athanasius' views on Bible and Tradition in a separate paper (also, St. Gregory of Nyssa), and Chrysostom and Irenaeus again, in a reply to David T. King (who believes -- quite ridiculously -- that all the Fathers believed in sola Scriptura).

That leaves (from Chemnitz' list), six Fathers out of thirteen: Jerome, Origen, Epiphanius, Ambrose, Lactantius, and Cyprian. Let us briefly examine each and see if the same dynamic applies to them that we have seen in the case of the other Fathers. I am quite confident (from universal past experience in studying this) that it will. But let us see with our own eyes. You, the reader, and I will be examining this together.

Let's begin with St. Jerome. He's a great favorite of Protestant polemicists, especially on the issue of the canon of Scripture. Does he believe in sola Scriptura or anything akin to it? Hardly. Jerome thinks the Church was founded upon Peter himself, and acknowledges the primacy and headship of the Church of Rome, headed by the pope:
. . . the apostle Peter, upon whom the Lord has founded the Church . . .

(Letter XLI. To Marcella)

1. Since the East, shattered as it is by the long-standing feuds, subsisting between its peoples, is bit by bit tearing into shreds the seamless vest of the Lord, “woven from the top throughout,” since the foxes are destroying the vineyard of Christ, and since among the broken cisterns that hold no water it is hard to discover “the sealed fountain” and “the garden inclosed,” I think it my duty to consult the chair of Peter, and to turn to a church whose faith has been praised by Paul. I appeal for spiritual food to the church whence I have received the garb of Christ. The wide space of sea and land that lies between us cannot deter me from searching for “the pearl of great price.” “Wheresoever the body is, there will the eagles be gathered together.” Evil children have squandered their patrimony; you alone keep your heritage intact. The fruitful soil of Rome, when it receives the pure seed of the Lord, bears fruit an hundredfold; but here the seed corn is choked in the furrows and nothing grows but darnel or oats. In the West the Sun of righteousness is even now rising; in the East, Lucifer, who fell from heaven, has once more set his throne above the stars. . . .

2. Yet, though your greatness terrifies me, your kindness attracts me. From the priest I demand the safe-keeping of the victim, from the shepherd the protection due to the sheep. Away with all that is overweening; let the state of Roman majesty withdraw. My words are spoken to the successor of the fisherman, to the disciple of the cross. As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is with the chair of Peter. For this, I know, is the rock on which the church is built! This is the house where alone the paschal lamb can be rightly eaten. This is the ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish when the flood prevails. . . . He that gathers not with you scatters; he that is not of Christ is of Antichrist.

(Letter XV. To Pope Damasus)
Jerome thought that even priests were the successors to the apostles:
Driven from this line of defence you will appeal to the example of the clergy. These, you will say, remain in their cities, and yet they are surely above criticism. Far be it from me to censure the successors of the apostles, who with holy words consecrate the body of Christ, and who make us Christians. Having the keys of the kingdom of heaven, they judge men to some extent before the day of judgment, and guard the chastity of the bride of Christ.

(Letter XIV. To Heliodorus, Monk)

In fact as if to tell us that the traditions handed down by the apostles were taken by them from the old testament, bishops, presbyters and deacons occupy in the church the same positions as those which were occupied by Aaron, his sons, and the Levites in the temple.

[Letter CXLVI. To Evangelus]
In the (mildly anti-Catholic) introduction to Jerome's writings in this volume of the Schaff edition of the Fathers, note how it is casually assumed that St. Jerome accepted the binding authority of the Church (utterly contrary to sola Scriptura):
His writings contain the whole spirit of the Church of the Middle Ages, its monasticism, its contrast of sacred things with profane, its credulity and superstition, its value for relics, its subjection to hierarchical authority, its dread of heresy, its passion for pilgrimages. To the society which was thus in a great measure formed by him, his Bible was the greatest boon which could have been given. But he founded no school and had no inspiring power; there was no courage or width of view in his spiritual legacy such as could break through the fatal circle of bondage to received authority which was closing round mankind. [my emphases]
Philip Schaff, in his History of the Christian Church, Vol. III (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1974, from the fifth edition of 1910, 987) describes St. Jerome thusly:
. . . Semi-Pelagian in anthropology, Romanizing in the doctrine of the church and tradition . . . a fanatical apologist of all monkish extravagancies . . .
That is clearly not a sola Scriptura view . . . it's another case of someone who has an "enthusiastic love for the Holy Scriptures" and "manifold exegetical merits" (Schaff, ibid., 987-988, describing / praising Jerome), yet who, at the same time, rejects sola Scriptura, or the notion that Scripture holds the sole binding infallible authority in the Christian Church.

How about St. Ambrose? He refers to the authority of the See of Rome, and both apostolic and papal succession:
And this confession is indeed rightly made by them, for they have not the succession of Peter, who hold not the chair of Peter, which they rend by wicked schism; and this, too, they do, wickedly denying that sins can be forgiven even in the Church, whereas it was said to Peter: “I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven, and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed also in heaven.”

(Concerning Repentance, Chapter VII)

It was always believed in the Church that the power of binding and loosing had been entrusted by our Lord to His apostles, and by them handed on to their successors in the ministry.

(Ibid., Note on the Penitential Discipline of the Early Church)
As to St. Cyprian, the abundance of proofs for his allegiance to binding Church authority and apostolic succession have already been provided, courtesy of Catholic apologist Phil Porvaznik, and Dom John Chapman. See the copiously-documented paper: St. Cyprian on the Church and the Papacy. This more than adequately shows that Cyprian, too, was no "primitive Protestant" or adherent of sola Scriptura. Protestant historian Philip Schaff also bears witness to this and renders it beyond any doubt:
Finally, Cyprian, in his Epistles, and most of all in his classical tract: De Unitate Eccelesiae, written in the year 251, amidst the distractions of the Novatian schism, and not without an intermixture of hierarchical pride and party spirit, has most distinctly and most forcibly developed the old catholic doctrine of the church, her unity, universality, and exclusiveness. He is the typical champion of visible, tangible church unity, and would have made a better pope than any pope before Leo I.; yet after all he was anti-papal and anti-Roman when he differed from the pope. Augustin felt this inconsistency, and thought that he had wiped it out by the blood of his martyrdom. But he never gave any sign of repentance. His views are briefly as follows:

The Catholic church was founded from the first by Christ on St. Peter alone, that, with all the equality of power among the apostles, unity might still be kept prominent as essential to her being. She has ever since remained one, in unbroken episcopal succession; as there is only one sun, though his rays are everywhere diffused. Try once to separate the ray from the sun; the unity of the light allows no division. Break the branch from the tree; it can produce no fruit. Cut off the brook from the fountain; it dries up. Out of this empirical orthodox church, episcopally organized and centralized in Rome, Cyprian can imagine no Christianity at all; not only among the Gnostics and other radical heretics, but even among the Novatians, who varied from the Catholics in no essential point of doctrine, and only elected an opposition bishop in the interest of their rigorous penitential discipline. Whoever separates himself from the catholic church is a foreigner, a profane person, an enemy, condemns himself, and must be shunned. No one can have God for his father, who has not the church for his mother. As well might one out of the ark of Noah have escaped the flood, as one out of the church be saved; because she alone is the bearer of the Holy Spirit and of all grace.

(History of the Christian Church, Vol. II: Ante-Nicene Christianity: A.D. 100-325 (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1970, from the fifth edition of 1910, section 53, 172-173)
Protestants and Catholics wrangle over Cyprian's views of the papacy, yet even aside from that vexed issue, there is more than enough in this evidence to show that he clearly rejected sola Scriptura and any diminution of the binding authority of the Church catholic.

Protestant historian J.N.D. Kelly describes Origen's view of the relationship of the Bible and Tradition:
Early third-century writers, like Clement of Alexandria and Origen, continued to use language about it [tradition, in context] closely akin to that of Irenaeus and Tertullian, and spoke of 'the ecclesiastical canon' or 'the canon of faith' . . . in addition to the Church's public tradition, they believed they had access to a secret tradition of doctrine . . . for Origen it seems to have consisted of an esoteric theology based on the Bible . . . According to Origen, the rule of faith, or canon, was the body of beliefs currently accepted by ordinary Christians; or again it could stand for the whole content of the faith. In his usage it was equivalent to what he called 'the ecclesiastical preaching' . . . and he meant by it the Christian faith as taught in the Church of his day and handed down from the apostles. Though its contents coincided with those of the Bible, it was formally independent of the Bible, and also included the principles of Biblical interpretation.

(Early Christian Doctrines, San Francisco: HarperCollins, 5th edition of 1978, 43)
Kelly's last sentence describes almost exactly the Catholic distinction between material and formal sufficiency of Scripture. We agree with Protestants that Scripture is materially sufficient, but not formally sufficient as a Rule of Faith independently of Church and Tradition. Origen sets out his views very concisely in his Preface to his work De Principiis:
Since many, however, of those who profess to believe in Christ differ from each other, not only in small and trifling matters, but also on subjects of the highest importance, as, e.g., regarding God, or the Lord Jesus Christ, or the Holy Spirit; and not only regarding these, but also regarding others which are created existences, viz., the powers and the holy virtues; it seems on that account necessary first of all to fix a definite limit and to lay down an unmistakable rule regarding each one of these, and then to pass to the investigation of other points. For as we ceased to seek for truth (notwithstanding the professions of many among Greeks and Barbarians to make it known) among all who claimed it for erroneous opinions, after we had come to believe that Christ was the Son of God, and were persuaded that we must learn it from Himself; so, seeing there are many who think they hold the opinions of Christ, and yet some of these think differently from their predecessors, yet as the teaching of the Church, transmitted in orderly succession from the apostles, and remaining in the Churches to the present day, is still preserved, that alone is to be accepted as truth which differs in no respect from ecclesiastical and apostolical tradition.

(complete section 2)
Therefore, again (contra Chemnitz and confessional Lutheranism and the "Lutheran Myth of Origins"), yet another Father is seen to be far closer (if not virtually identical) in belief (concerning Tradition, etc.) to Catholicism than to Lutheranism.

How about St. Epiphanius? J.N.D. Kelly concluded:
Epiphanius, it is noteworthy, evidently regarded the Roman church (his attitude was not singular) as having preserved the apostolic rule of faith uniquely intact; but the supreme expression of it, he thought, was the creed sealed by the fathers gathered in session at Nicaea.

(Early Christian Doctrines, San Francisco: HarperCollins, 5th edition of 1978, 45-46)
And, lastly, does Lactantius provide patristic support for anything remotely approaching sola Scriptura? Nope. He wrote:
[T]hey were perverted from the right path, and corrupted the sacred writings, so that they composed for themselves a new doctrine without any root and stability. But some, enticed by the prediction of false prophets, concerning whom both the true prophets and he himself had foretold, fell away from the knowledge of God, and left the true tradition. But all of these, ensnared by frauds of demons, which they ought to have foreseen and guarded against, by their carelessness lost the name and worship of God. For when they are called Phrygians, or Novatians, or Valentinians, or Marcionites, or Anthropians, or Arians, or by any other name, they have ceased to be Christians, who have lost the name of Christ, and assumed human and external names. Therefore it is the Catholic Church alone which retains true worship. This is the fountain of truth, this is the abode of the faith, this is the temple of God; into which if any one shall not enter, or from which if any shall go out, he is estranged from the hope of life and eternal salvation. No one ought to flatter himself with persevering strife. For the contest is respecting life and salvation, which, unless it is carefully and diligently kept in view, will be lost and extinguished. But, however, because all the separate assemblies of heretics call themselves Christians in preference to others, and think that theirs is the Catholic Church, it must be known that the true Catholic Church is that in which there is confession and repentance, which treats in a wholesome manner the sins and wounds to which the weakness of the flesh is liable. I have related these things in the meanwhile for the sake of admonition, that no one who desires to avoid error may be entangled in a greater error, while he is ignorant of the secret of the truth.

(The Divine Institutes, Book IV, Chapter 30)
We see, then, that there is strong counter-evidence for each and every Church Father that Chemnitz cites as supposed witnesses for the Lutheran rule of faith, sola Scriptura.

Picking up Chemnitz's Examen from where I left off, I am encouraged to see that he makes a defense of implicit testimonies of Scripture (precisely the sort of argumentation that Catholics often make with regard to many Catholic distinctives, and which I myself use in my books and articles all the time. This has the effect (unbeknownst to him, of course) of undercutting his own rhetoric of Catholic doctrines being so devoid of biblical support. He writes (his words in blue henceforth):

We shall make this the fifth kind of traditions, that he fathers sometimes call those dogmas traditions which are not set forth in so many letters and syllables in Scripture but are brought together from clear testimonies of Scripture by way of good, certain, firm, and clear reasoning. Gregory Nazianzen says correctly and beautifully that some things are in the Scriptures and are also stated in them, but that some things are in the Scriptures, although they are not stated . . .

Therefore, Origen and Augustine affirm that infant baptism is an apostolic tradition. This we accept . . . These letters and syllables are indeed not found in the Scripture: "infants are to be baptized; the apostles baptized infants." But when the fathers say that infant baptism is a tradition, they prove and confirm this with certain and clear testimonies of Scripture. (pp. 249-250)

Augustine, who concedes that no actual example is found in the Scripture, nevertheless shows that the law itself (if I may express it this way) has many sure proofs in the Scriptures. We do not quarrel about letters and syllables, so long as the matter itself has a sure foundation in the Scripture . . . But this is the point of the controversy between us and the papalists, whether in dogmas of the church a custom or tradition which cannot be proved with any testimony of Scripture is to be accepted. (p. 254)

So far so good. But soon Chemnitz is back to error:

[I]t is the opinion of the men on our side that in religious controversies the word of God itself is the judge and that the confession of the true church is added later. (p. 256)

We have seen from the many Fathers examined that they did not hold to this view, which is a watering-down of Church authority and the binding nature of received apostolic Tradition. Chemnitz then provides a valuable aid, for he refutes himself:

We confess also that we disagree with those who invent opinions whjich have no testimony from any period in the church, as Servetus, Campanus, the Anabaptists, and others have done in our time. We also hold that no dogma that is new in the churches and in conflict with all antiquity should be accepted. What could be more honorably said and thought concerning the consensus and the testimonies of antiquity? . . . we search out and quote the testimonies of the fathers . . . (p. 258)

[T]he papalists, devoid of and convicted by the testimonies of Scripture, seek protection from the fathers. (p. 263)

Since sola Scriptura is devoid of any unquestionable patristic support (as I and many other Catholics have shown, I think), then it must be ditched, according to this true and wise maxim of Martin Chemnitz. I continue to await modern-day adherents of Chemnitz' position (Lutherans) to come and defend both him and his argument.

Usually, at this point of the argument (i.e., after patristic demonstration), the argument from my esteemed Lutheran brothers in Christ ceases, or (as in cases such as the extreme polemicist Josh Strodtbeck, descends into the merely personal and ad hominem and is entirely devoid of rational substance). But where are the modern defenders of Lutheran orthodoxy, who will be willing to amiably engage a Catholic critic? Few and far between, they are . . .

[T]he papalists . . . bring forth certain statements from the fathers for the protection of their superstitions and somehow throw them together contrary to those things which are shown from the Scriptures . . . (p. 265)

Staphylus and Lindanus are not ashamed to make Athanasius the author of this opinion [the previous citation]. For they cite his statement to Epictetus in mutilated form and torn out of context: "It suffices to reply and say only this to the heretics, that this is not the way of the catholic church and that the fathers did not hold this." . . . But they do Athanasius a great wrong . . . I ask you, dear reader, to compare this whole statement of Athanasius with the mutilated quotation of the papalists, and you may establish from this with what sincerity the papalists treat the testimonies of the fathers. (pp. 265-266)

Chemnitz contends that because Athanasius used a number of biblical arguments in the letter, that therefore, his statement about authority really didn't mean what it manifestly means, and he must somehow believe in something resembling sola Scriptura. But this is simply untrue, both logically and contextually. Of course Athanasius will argue from Scripture, as everyone does who is serious about Christianity (and about heresy). But it is not inevitable or necessary from that fact alone, that such a person thinks that only Scripture has authority to rebuke error and bind people to the contrary.

Anyone can read St. Athanasius' Letter LIX to Epictetus online, in the Schaff (Protestant-edited) collection of the Fathers. Note how he grants the Council of Nicaea binding authority in and of itself:
I thought that all vain talk of all heretics, many as they may be, had been stopped by the Synod which was held at Nicæa. For the Faith there confessed by the Fathers according to the divine Scriptures is enough by itself at once to overthrow all impiety, and to establish the religious belief in Christ. . . . How then, after all this, are some attempting to raise doubts or questions? . . . But if those who desire to reopen everything by raising questions belong to those who think they believe aright, and love what the fathers have declared, they are simply doing what the prophet describes, giving their neighbour turbid confusion to drink , and fighting about words to no good purpose, save to the subversion of the simple. (1)
Athanasius is arguing that such a council is authoritative by its very nature, and sufficient to shut the mouth of a heretic (just as the scriptural council of Jerusalem was). He mentions only a few Bible passages indirectly, in passing. The disputed section brought up by Chemnitz is in section 3. I cite the entire section (with the portion in particular dispute bolded):
Such were the contents of the memoranda; diverse statements, but one in their sense and in their meaning; tending to impiety. It was for these things that men who make their boast in the confession of the fathers drawn up at Nicæa were disputing and quarrelling with one another. But I marvel that your piety suffered it, and that you did not stop those who said such things, and propound to them the right faith, so that upon hearing it they might hold their peace, or if they opposed it might be counted as heretics. For the statements are not fit for Christians to make or to hear, on the contrary they are in every way alien from the Apostolic teaching. For this reason, as I said above, I have caused what they say to be baldly inserted in my letter, so that one who merely hears may perceive the shame and impiety therein contained. And although it would be right to denounce and expose in full the folly of those who have had such ideas, yet it would be a good thing to close my letter here and write no more. For what is so manifestly shewn to be evil, it is not necessary to waste time in exposing further, lest contentious persons think the matter doubtful. It is enough merely to answer such things as follows: we are content with the fact that this is not the teaching of the Catholic Church, nor did the fathers hold this. But lest the ‘inventors of evil things' make entire silence on our part a pretext for shamelessness, it will be well to mention a few points from Holy Scripture, in case they may even thus be put to shame, and cease from these foul devices.
Chemnitz, in effect, argues that this statement cannot stand alone, and carry a meaning of Church and Tradition being themselves sufficient to refute error, with great and binding authority, and that to cite it in isolation violates the context of Athanasius making biblical arguments, too. He is wrong. The statement does stand alone. That is seen by the word "enough". In fact, Chemnitz's own fuller citation, as translated by the Lutheran Fred Kramer, bears this out (I shall cite also the important sentence before the one in question):
For what is clearly bad and perverse, that ought not to be treated more inquisitively, lest it seem ambiguous to contentious men; but it suffices to make only this reply to such things and to say that this is not held by the catholic church and that the fathers did not think thus. (p. 266)
Words mean things. "Enough" and "suffice" (and its cognate, "suffieicnt") have definitions that can be ascertained. I think they are so obvious in the present instance that I won't even bother to cite dictionaries. Citing the Tradition was sufficient or "enough", but (as Athanasius goes on to say) "lest the ‘inventors of evil things' make entire silence on our part a pretext for shamelessness, it will be well to mention a few points from Holy Scripture."

In other words, the proclamation was sufficient itself, but because of obstinacy and "shamelessness" of the heretics, scriptural arguments will bolster the arguments and make it better and stronger. But they are not absolutely necessary to ascertain the truth of the matter. Note how in the next section (4), the great St. Athanasius makes reference to Scripture, but also to the authoritative decrees of Nicaea which expand upon what is not explicit in Scripture:
Whence did it occur to you, sirs, to say that the Body is of one Essence with the Godhead of the Word? For it is well to begin at this point, in order that by shewing this opinion to be unsound, all the others too may be proved to be the same. Now from the divine Scriptures we discover nothing of the kind. For they say that God came in a human body. But the fathers who also assembled at Nicæa say that, not the body, but the Son Himself is coessential with the Father, and that while He is of the Essence of the Father, the body, as they admitted according to the Scriptures, is of Mary. Either then deny the Synod of Nicæa, and as heretics bring in your doctrine from the side; or, if you wish to be children of the fathers, do not hold the contrary of what they wrote.
Context of this letter itself is "sufficient" (no pun intended) to overthrow Chemnitz's contentions. But we also have several other statements of Athanasius that support my interpretation. He (like all the fathers) believed in apostolic succession and an authoritative Church and Tradition:
However here too they introduce their private fictions, and contend that the Son and the Father are not in such wise `one,' or `like,' as the Church preaches, but, as they themselves would have it.

(Discourse Against the Arians, 3:10)

. . . inventors of unlawful heresies, who indeed refer to the Scriptures, but do not hold such opinions as the saints have handed down, and receiving them as the traditions of men, err, . . .

(Festal Letter 2:6)

See, we are proving that this view has been transmitted from father to father; but ye, O modern Jews and disciples of Caiaphas, how many fathers can ye assign to your phrases?

(Defense of the Nicene Definition, 27)

For, what our Fathers have delivered, this is truly doctrine; . . .

(De Decretis 4)

Remaining on the foundation of the Apostles, and holding fast the traditions of the Fathers, pray that now at length all strife and rivalry may cease, and the futile questions of the heretics may be condemned, . . .

(De Synodis 54)
Hence, patristics scholar J.N.D. Kelly writes of Athanasius:
So Athanasius, disputing with the Arians, claimed that his own doctrine had been handed down from father to father, whereas they could not produce a single respectable witness to theirs . . .

. . . the ancient idea that the Church alone, in virtue of being the home of the Spirit and having preserved the authentic apostolic testimony in her rule of faith, liturgical action and general witness, possesses the indispensable key to Scripture, continued to operate as powerfully as in the days of Irenaeus and Tertullian . . . Athanasius himself, after dwelling on the entire adequacy of Scripture, went on to emphasize the desirability of having sound teachers to expound it. Against the Arians he flung the charge that they would never have made shipwreck of the faith had they held fast as a sheet-anchor to the . . . Church's peculiar and traditionally handed down grasp of the purport of revelation.

(
Early Christian Doctrines, San Francisco: HarperCollins, 5th edition of 1978, 45, 47)
Philip Schaff describes the general view of the Fathers on Bible and Tradition, in the period of 311-590 (including Athanasius):
The church view respecting the sources of Christian theology and the rule of faith and practice remains as it was in the previous period, except that it is further developed in particulars. The divine Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, as opposed to human writings; and the oral tradition or living faith of the catholic church from the apostles down, as opposed to the varying opinions of heretical sects together form the one infallible source and rule of faith. Both are vehicles of the same substance: the saving revelation of God in Christ; with this difference in form and office, that the church tradition determines the canon, furnishes the key to the true interpretation of the Scriptures, and guards them against heretical abuse. The relation of the two in the mind of the ancient church may be illustrated by the relation between the supreme law of a country (such as the Roman law, the Code Napoleon, the common law of England, the Constitution of the United States) and the courts which expound the law, and decide between conflicting interpretations. Athanasius, for example, "the father of orthodoxy," always bases his conclusions upon Scripture, and appeals to the authority of tradition only in proof that he rightly understands and expounds the sacred books. The catholic faith, says he, is that which the Lord gave, the apostles preached, and the fathers have preserved; upon this the church is founded, and he who departs from this faith can no longer be called a Christian.

(History of the Christian Church, Vol. III, Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1974, from the fifth edition of 1910, § 118. Sources of Theology. Scripture and Tradition, 606; my emphasis)
The always partisan yet thoroughly fair-minded Schaff takes the position himself that Athanasius ' position is neither the present-day Catholic or Protestant one:
Voigt (Die Lehre des Athanasius, &c. p. 13 ff.) makes Athanasius even the representative of the formal principle of Protestantism, the supreme authority, sufficiency, and self-interpreting character of the Scriptures; while Möhler endeavors to place him on the Roman side. Both are biassed, and violate history by their preconceptions.

(Ibid., 607, footnote 1 / footnote 1290 in the online version)
I think it is seen that a doctrinally Catholic interpretation of such utterances by Athanasius is not dishonest or implausible at all. Granted, reasonable men of good faith and will can disagree. But Chemnitz must make out that Catholics are dishonest and insincere connivers. He picks up this theme in his Section VIII, his eighth category of traditions:

[B]y heaping up many dissimilar statements from the most ancient writings the papalists gain for their disputation a certain appearance and cloak, or rather a deceitful disguise. But it is sophistical that they whitewash all traditions, which are not of one kind, as the proverb has it, out of the same pot, in order that the simpler people may not notice the fraud. (p. 272)

Chemnitz lists those traditions that he claims cannot be supported in the least from Scripture:

. . . the mutilation of the Lord's Supper [presumably the sacrifice of the mass], the celibacy of priests, the choice of foods, purgatory, the traffic in indulgences, the cult of images, the legends of the saints, and, to sum it up: whatever the Roman Church believes, holds, and observes, which cannot be proved by any testimony of the Scripture . . . corruptions, abuses, and superstitions . . . (p. 274)

Earlier, he cited an opponent, Peter a Soto, claiming that he argued that the following things have no biblical warrant whatsoever:

"The offering of the sacrifice of the altar, the anointing with chrism, the invocation of the saints, the merits of works, the primacy of the Roman pontiff, the consecration of the water in Baptism, the whole sacrament of confirmation, the elements, words, and effects of the sacraments of ordination, of matrimony, and of extreme unction, prayers for the dead, the enumeration of sins to be made to the priest, the necessity of satisfaction." These are the words of a Soto . . . matters of the greatest importance. (pp. 273-274)

This creates a host of difficulties, as a Catholic need only show how numerous Fathers believe in several of these "corruptions." One could particularly cite those whom Chemnitz enlisted as supposed advocates of Scripture as the only norm of faith. How could they believe these things if they supposedly accepted only biblical proofs and evidences? I give patristic support for Catholic distinctives in many papers, notably in a lengthy overview. Of course, I also specialize also in biblical arguments for Catholic distinctives. I could cite literally dozens of my papers and book passages to confute all of these claims.

Let us look to St. Augustine, as one prime example, since he is the Lutherans' (and Calvinists) favorite Father, and was cited so many times by Chemnitz as a proponent of Bible-Only binding authority and the norm of faith. Augustine believed in merit:

The Lord made Himself a debtor not by receiving something, but by promising something. One does not say to Him "Pay for what You received," but, "Pay what You promised."

(Commentary on Psalms 83:16. From Jurgens, William A., ed. and tr., The Faith of the Early Fathers, 3 volumes, Collegeville, MN: Liturgical Press, 1970, vol. 3, p.19)

You are glorified in the assembly of your Holy Ones, for in crowning their merits you are crowning your own gifts. (En. in Ps. 102:7; cf. Ep. 194, 5, 19)

He believed in penance and venial sins (as opposed to mortal):

When you shall have been baptized, keep to a good life in the commandments of God so that you may preserve your baptism to the very end. I do not tell you that you will live here without sin, but they are venial sins which this life is never without. Baptism was instituted for all sins. For light sins, without which we cannot live, prayer was instituted. . . . But do not commit those sins on account of which you would have to be separated from the body of Christ. Perish the thought! For those whom you see doing penance have committed crimes, either adultery or some other enormities. That is why they are doing penance. If their sins were light, daily prayer would suffice to blot them out. . . . In the Church, therefore, there are three ways in which sins are forgiven: in baptisms, in prayer, and in the greater humility of penance.

(Sermon to Catechumens on the Creed 7:15, 8:16).

He believed in infused justification and denied the central "Reformation pillar" of sola fide ("faith alone"):
Now, if the wicked man were to be saved by fire on account of his faith only, and if this is the way the statement of the blessed Paul should be understood--"But he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire"--then faith without works would be sufficient to salvation. But then what the apostle James said would be false. And also false would be another statement of the same Paul himself: "Do not err," he says; "neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the unmanly, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the Kingdom of God."

(Enchiridion, Chapter XVIII, paragraph 3)
Augustine denied predestination to hell, or reprobation by divine decree, apart from human free will. He does not deny human free will, as Luther did in his famous Bondage of the Will. (Lutherans later softened their position on this, and departed from Luther's stricter position). St. Augustine believed in prayers for the dead, intercession of the saints, and purgatory:
Prayer, however, is offered for other dead who are remembered. For it is wrong to pray for a martyr, to whose prayers we ought ourselves be commended.

[Sermons: 159,1]

By the prayers of the Holy Church, and by the salvific sacrifice, and by the alms which are given for their spirits, there is no doubt that the dead are aided . . . For the whole Church observes this practice which was handed down by the Fathers . . . If, then, works of mercy are celebrated for the sake of those who are being remembered, who would hesitate to recommend them, on whose behalf prayers to God are not offered in vain? It is not at all to be doubted that such prayers are of profit to the dead; but for such of them as lived before their death in a way that makes it possible for these things to be useful to them after death.

[Sermons: 172,2]

The man who perhaps has not cultivated the land and has allowed it to be overrun with brambles has in this life the curse of his land on all his works, and after this life he will have either purgatorial fire or eternal punishment.

[Genesis Defended Against the Manicheans, 2,20,30]

Temporal punishments are suffered by some in this life only, by some after death, by some both here and hereafter; but all of them before that last and strictest judgment. But not all who suffer temporal punishments after death will come to eternal punishments, which are to follow after that judgment.

[The City of God, 21,13]

The prayer . . . is heard on behalf of certain of the dead; but it is heard for those who, having been regenerated in Christ, did not for the rest of their life in the body do such wickedness that they might be judged unworthy of such mercy, nor who yet lived so well that it might be supposed they have no need of such mercy.

[The City of God, 21,24,2]

That there should be some such fire even after this life is not incredible, and it can be inquired into and either be discovered or left hidden whether some of the faithful may be saved, some more slowly and some more quickly in the greater or lesser degree in which they loved the good things that perish, - through a certain purgatorial fire.

[Enchiridion of Faith, Hope & Love, 18,69]

The time which interposes between the death of a man and the final resurrection holds souls in hidden retreats, accordingly as each is deserving of rest or hardship, in view of what it merited when it was living in the flesh. Nor can it be denied that the souls of the dead find relief through the piety of their friends and relatives who are still alive, when the Sacrifice of the Mediator is offered for them, or when alms are given in the church.

[Enchiridion of Faith, Hope & Love, 29,109-110]

We read in the books of the Maccabees [2 Macc 12:43] that sacrifice was offered for the dead. But even if it were found nowhere in the Old Testament writings [Augustine regarded 1st and 2nd Maccabees as Scripture], the authority of the universal Church which is clear on this point is of no small weight, where in the prayers of the priest poured forth to the Lord God at His altar the commendation of the dead has its place.

[The Care That Should be Taken of the Dead, 1,3]
Augustine accepted the Sacrifice of the Mass (see my paper St. Augustine's Belief in the Real Presence). He also believed in papal supremacy and the jurisdiction and the primacy of Rome, Mary's sinlessness, and the so-called "Apocryphal" books of the Old Testament. Some "proto-Lutheran" huh? For further reading, see my papers:
St. Augustine: Are Reformed Protestants or Catholics Closer Theologically to His Teaching?

The Ambiguous Relationship of Luther and the Early Protestants to St. Augustine (Dave Armstrong and Dr. Edwin Tait)

Answers For An Inquiring "Bible Christian" on Bible and Tradition Issues (Particularly St. Augustine's Position)

Clarifications (Under Fire), of St. Augustine's Eucharistic Doctrine, and a Counter-Challenge to Protestants Who Try to "Co-Opt" Him

Refutation of James White on 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 and Purgatory [includes lengthy citations from St. Augustine]

Lutheran Pastor Paul T. McCain's Extreme Insults of Pope Benedict XVI & Catholics & Concealment of What St. Augustine Actually Taught About Salvation (+ Discussion)

Is Sola Fide (Faith Alone) a Legitimate Development of Patristic & Augustinian Soteriology?
I've also engaged in a lengthy debate with a Lutheran friend (Parts one / two / three) about the sacrifice of the mass, which many fathers explicitly teach, and which Lutherans reject. I could go on and on with this patristic evidence that does not accord with Chemnitz' claims of a patristic-Lutheran affinity; there is so much overwhelming evidence.

Chemnitz repeatedly condemns innovation and corrupstion. Hence, again on p. 274, referring to doctrines which Catholics "foist on the churches under the name of traditions and for which they invent originators for themselves." Yet he fails to see (and detest with equal vigor) that Martin Luther departed in at least fifty ways (!!!) from received doctrinal precedent. Somehow he gets it exactly backwards and makes out that Catholics are the innovators (as well as reprobates):

[I]t must be a reprobate mind which can be persuaded in these dangerous times to forsake the clear light of the Scripture and to entrust his faith to the darkness of uncertain traditions. (p. 277)

On a humorous note, Chemnitz does detail a number of Fathers who went astray in various ways, according to a Lutheran orthodox understanding. He cites errors of St. Clement of Alexandria (pp. 279-283) and concludes:

I could quote very many similar things from the books of Clement about original sin, about free will, about freedom from passion, about perfection, about faith, about salvation, etc., which depart from the rule of the Scripture.

He goes on to chronicle errors of Origen, ending up with the lament:

But if in the best times of the primitive church the pretense and reputation of unwritten traditions was able to lead very outstanding men away from the sane and simple rule of faith to strange opinions, we certainly are warned by these examples to beware of the leaven of the Tridentine decree concerning the unwritten traditions, that they are to be received with the same devotion as the Holy Scripture itself . . . through the name, pretense, and reputation of the traditions outside of and contrary to Scripture both heretics and also great and rather good men in the church have been deceived and in turn have deceived others. (pp. 283-284)

That's all well and good. Why, however, if Chemnitz is so concerned about false teaching among "good men", does he not also chronicle (oh, to just pick a name out of a hat) Augustine's many "errors", according to Lutheran orthodoxy? The answer to my rhetorical question is obvious: that would go counter to the game plan of how Chemnitz wants to portray the Fathers. It wouldn't fit. It would be an anomaly and an embarrassment. So he simply omits any mention of such things. Clement of Alexandria and Origen are sufficient to make his point. Surely he couldn't have been so ignorant as to not know that Augustine believed many errors that he decried as wicked and evil and false. A half-truth is little better than a lie.

Chemnitz could have done that. He cited also errors of Basil and Tertullian (p. 285), Basil alone (pp. 292-293), Epiphanius (pp. 286-287, 290), Ambrose and Jerome (pp. 288-289), etc. But he won't mention anything where the beloved Augustine clearly comes down on the Catholic side. The one exception is when he mentions an error (from his perspective) of St. John Chrysostom (another great favorite of Protestants):

Epiphanius, in Contra Aerium, calls prayers for the dead a tradition of the church received from the fathers. others, indeed, adorn this tradition of the fathers with the title of apostolic tradition. So Chrysostom says in Homily 69: "Not rashly were these things sanctioned by the apostles, that at the awe-inspiring mysteries commemoration of the dead should be made." (p. 291)

Catholics are so pathetic, though, according to Chemnitz, that they go beyond even what he regards as false teachings in the Fathers:

[T]he papalists have and fight for so many such traditions for which they cannot even bring forth any testimonies from approved writings of the ancients, but are compelled either to invent or to use apocryphal, corrupted, or spurious writings falsely ascribed to ancient men. This observation, rightly considered, will show how much faith should be given to most papoalist traditions. (p. 299)

Chemnitz also goes after the (very early) letters of st. Ignatius:

[T]hey have many statements which are not to be despised, especially as they are read in the Greek. But there are also not a few other things mixed in which certainly do not represent apostolic dignity . . . those epistles are now adulterated . . . (p. 302)

What is therefore to be held of the things which lack the witness of Scripture, and which are quoted from these epistles of Ignatius as traditions of the apostles, is not obscure . . . In the same way certain spurious additions have been interpolated in the writings of almost all the fathers under their names. And of all the writings it is from these that the papalists most willingly take their proofs. (p. 303)

It so happens that there was a lively dispute in the 16th century over the authenticity of the letters of St. Ignatius. What has more modern scholarship determined about this controversy?
Chemnitz would not be pleased (assuming he wished to keep up his argument against the facts):
For a long time, however, many Protestant scholars continued to reject all the letters owing to their strong emphasis on episcopacy. The controversy was virtually settled in favour of the authenticity of the seven letters by J. Pearson's Vindiciae Epistolarum S. Ignatii (1672).

In the 19th cent. the dispute arose afresh . . . Lightfoot's learned defence of the authenticity of the seven letters in his monumental edition of the Apostolic Fathers (1885) has, however, won general acceptance.

(The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, second edition, edited by F.L. Cross and E.A. Livingstine, Oxford University Press, 1983, "St. Ignatius", 689)
Both Pearson and Lightfoot were Anglicans, by the way, so it is heartening to see that the truth won out by virtue of objective scholarship and research, rather than partisan, polemical considerations such as
confessional bias "owing to" the Ignatian letters' "strong emphasis on episcopacy".

I think the same dynamic could and should apply in the present examination of Chemnitz. Scholarship (often agreed-upon by the majority of Protestant historians of doctrine) and documentation is able to overcome the selective partisanship (where truly present) of a Lutheran selectively picking through the Fathers for passages that appear to support Lutheran distinctives (and omitting those that clearly do not).

We Catholics assuredly have our doctrinal and dogmatic biases, too (everyone does); yet I submit that there is a great abundance of patristic facts that can be strongly set forth as in accordance with Catholic positions. Hopefully, I have shown the proper respect for factuality and the actual reality of things, as best can be ascertained, and have not distorted the record or misrepresented anyone. I freely grant Martin Chemnitz his good faith and sincerity. I ask for the same consideration from Lutheran and other Protestants who care to take up the debate.

"Let the reader decide" -- having at least fairly observed decently respectable and adequate presentations of both sides of a debate, is always my motto . . .


Wednesday, August 29, 2007

Critique of Martin Chemnitz' Examination of Trent: Bible, Tradition, and the Church Fathers, Part I (Preliminaries, St. Irenaeus, & Tertullian)

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This is the third installment of what is to be a lengthy series of replies to the prominent 16th century Lutheran theologian Martin Chemnitz' Examination of the Council of Trent, Part I (St. Louis: Concordia Pub. House, 1971; translated by Fred Kramer) -- and probably volumes 2-4 also, as time permits. Here are the first two:

Martin Chemnitz is "The Man" for Lutherans; It's Time to Address His Arguments Directly

Critique of Martin Chemnitz' Examination of Trent: Scripture I (Poisoning the Well as to the Catholic Rule of Faith and Veneration of Holy Scripture)
When we left off, I had read the first hundred pages of Chemnitz' Examen, Volume I. Now I've read the entire section on Bible and Tradition (minus the sections on canonicity and vernacular, because those are important but distinctly separate issues, and I have more than enough on my plate at the moment): up to page 315.

I do give the man a great deal of credit indeed for offering a substantive, clearly presented, articulate, well-formulated and thought-through argument, presented with a relative minimum of unhelpful polemics, which is highly unusual for that time (I did note unpleasant examples of those things last time, yet he is among the least polemical of Protestant writers of that period that I have seen). Of course, I continue to strongly disagree on the presuppositional level. Chemnitz (as I discussed last time) takes the view that the Church Fathers are far more like Lutherans than Catholics. I take the opposite view (big surprise).

The big dispute, then, between the two parties, is over the correct identity of the true legatees of the patristic, early Church heritage of theology. That battle must be fought by means of competing historical facts. One has to examine the relevant writings (for any given issue) of the Fathers and can make judgments of factuality and truth and falsity. It's not a subjective enterprise but very much an objective one. One cannot pick and choose and select what they like and simply ignore or omit or deny the existence of what doesn't fit into their own theological schema or worldview or set of dogmas. Both sides must take the greatest pains not to do this.

Chemnitz, for many pages, presents scriptural testimony that Scripture is central and primary in Christianity. Since we Catholics do not in the slightest disagree with that, I have no beef, and so need not critique those lengthy sections. He then proceeds (pp. 150-168) to show that the Fathers held to the same view. Of course they did, and again, we agree., and so again, there is no need to offer any critique. He next takes up the matters of canonicity (pp. 168-196) and vernacular translations (pp. 196-207). I have chosen to pass over those sections for the time being. Perhaps at a later date I will look at them. Presently, I am interested in the important question of the Rule of Faith.

Starting on page 207, Chemnitz writes about "the Interpretation of Scripture." That takes us more directly into the territory of authority, sola Scriptura, and so forth, then from pages 223 to 315 he examines in the greatest (and most impressive) detail, what he classifies as eight kinds of tradition. Here we will get to the substance of the deepest disagreements between Catholics and Lutherans, on the Bible and (or "vs.") Tradition issue. I am delighted to have this opportunity to offer a Catholic critique of his overall arguments.

Without further ado, I shall now proceed, with his words in blue. When he directly cites a Church Father, the words will be in purple (and the Father's name often bolded: all bolding will be my own). When I do the same, using another source, the words will be in green (I'll follow this color scheme throughout these papers).

Chemnitz in this latter section (pp. 207-315) expresses what he sees as the Fathers' relationship to the Lutheran understanding of Christian authority and the Rule of Faith:

General Lutheran Perspective on the Fathers

. . . the saying of Jerome remains in force: "Whatever does not have authority in Holy Scripture can be rejected as easily as it can be approved."

This is the chief point of the controversy between us and the papalists. (p. 101)

Because it was not a contrary, nor a different, nor another, but one and the same doctrine which Paul delivered either by word of mouth or by epistle. (p. 109)

[to which Catholics say, "of course!" and "Amen!" -- "twin fonts of the same divine wellspring . . ."]

We have therefore the testimony of the ancient church concerning the perfection and sufficiency of the Scripture, namely, that it contains all things which are necessary for faith and morals for living, so that it is the rule, canon, and norm by which all things which are to be received as the Word of God in matters of religion must be proved and confirmed, (p. 161)

And we confess that we are greatly confirmed by the testimonies of the ancient church in the true and sound understanding of the Scripture. Nor do we approve of it if someone invents for himself a meaning which conflicts with all antiquity, and for which there are clearly no testimonies of the church. (pp. 208-209)

[W]e love and value greatly the true and sound interpretations which agree with the rules which we have quoted from the fathers. (p. 211)

[W]hen the papalists have transformed any statement of Scripture so that it agrees with their own corruptions, they search diligently in the writings of the fathers that they may scrape together from them a few statements which will in some way defend their purpose. (p. 212)

Jerome writes to Minerius and Alexander: "My intention is to read the ancients, to test everything, to retain what is good, and not to depart from the faith of the catholic church." (p. 212)

[B]ecause the word "traditions" was not used by the ancients in one and the same way, and because the traditions of which mention is made in the writings of the ancients are not all of the same kind, the papalists sophistically mix together such testimonies without discrimination and, as the saying goes, whitewash all traditions from one pot in order that they may disguise them under the pretext and appearance of antiquity." (p. 220)

It is undeniably the truest of axioms that that alone is the true doctrine which the apostles transmitted and which the primitive church professed as received from the apostles. (p. 225)

Irenaeus says that all these things were "in agreement with the Scriptures." . . . The papalists, however, contend for such traditions as cannot be proved with any testimony of Scripture . . . the papalists expressly affirm that their traditions cannot be proved by any testimony of the Scripture. (p. 226)

Therefore the first kind of traditions is this, that the apostles delivered the doctrine orally, but this was afterwards set down in writing in the Scripture. Apostolic men also proclaimed many things received from the apostles, but "all these agreed with the Holy Scriptures." And certainly these considerations give no protection to the traditions of the papalists, which cannot be proved by any testimony of Scripture, as they themselves confess. It must, however, be observed in connection with this first kind of traditions how fraudulently the papalists quote and treat the testimonies of Scripture and of antiquity in order to establish and confirm their spurious traditions. (p. 226)

[E]lsewhere he [St. Augustine] pronounces the anathema on those who preach anything outside of the things which we have received in the Scriptures of the Law and of the Gospel . . . this second kind of traditions leads us to the Scripture and binds us to the voice of doctrine that sounds forth in it . . . (p. 228)

There is a very great difference between the primitive church, which was at the time of the apostles and of apostolic men testifying with regard to the books of Holy Scripture, and the papal church, which is foisting its fictions as apostolic traditions on us without proof.

Where the fathers describe this tradition concerning the books of Scripture, they prove it from the testimonies of the primitive church . . . they affirm that the things which were handed down by the apostles were all in harmony with the Holy Scriptures . . . Therefore we have it from the tradition of the fathers itself how one must judge what are true apostolic traditions, as Jerome says commenting on the first chapter of Haggai: "The sword of God, which is the living Word of God, strikes through the things which men of their own accord, without the authority and testimonies of Scripture, invent and think up, pretending that it is apostolic tradition." Therefore the tradition of the church commends the books of Holy Scripture to us in such a way that it reminds us that all other things must be examined according to it . . . [ellipses in the original] and that the things which are in agreement with it must be accepted but what does not agree, even if it is put forth as apostolic tradition, must be struck down by the sword of the Word of God. (pp. 228-229)

Chemnitz's Appeal to St. Irenaeus as a Supposed Proto-Lutheran Falls Flat

Chemnitz cites St. Irenaeus as a supposed witness to the Lutheran Rule of Faith, and brings as evidence his famous work, Against Heresies, Book III, chapters 3 and 4; mentioning the first sentence of the former and a paragraph or so of the latter (on p. 231). He summarizes thusly:

[B]oth Irenaeus and Tertullian [De praescriptione] expressly tell us concerning which dogmas of the faith this dispute was undertaken; for they recite almost word for word those articles of faith which today make up the symbol called the Apostles' Creed. Can these articles of faith not be proved, demonstrated, and established from Scripture? . . . And Irenaeus does nothing else in Books 3, 4, and 5 than to prove and confirm those articles at length from Scripture, and to take from the testimonies of Scripture refutation of the perversions that conflict with these articles. . . . Let this be observed, for then the reader will know with what cunning the papalists twist these arguments of Irenaeus and Tertullian to their traditions, concerning which they themselves confess that they cannot be proved with any testimony of Scripture. (pp. 232-233)

I find this fascinating and more than a little ironic, since Against Heresies, Book III, chapter 3, is perhaps the most famous of all of Irenaeus' arguments in favor of apostolic succession, episcopacy (bishops), the primacy of Rome, and indeed, even the papacy: all of which Chemnitz would reject as unbiblical. So we see here a situation where Chemnitz tries mightily hard to "spin" Irenaeus in a Lutheran direction, but the facts of the matter simply do not support his interpretation (and rather strikingly so at that).

He claims that Irenaeus is doing "nothing else" in three entire books of this treatise than proving everything right from Scripture. And of course, the sinister Catholics are the ones who twist his words for their own nefarious (and invariably anti-biblical) ends. Well,
you be the judge, by reading for yourself. Here is the entirety of Book III, chapter 3, from the standard Schaff (Protestant-edited and translated) collection of the Fathers, available online (bolded emphases my own):
Chapter III.—A refutation of the heretics, from the fact that, in the various Churches, a perpetual succession of bishops was kept up.

1. It is within the power of all, therefore, in every Church, who may wish to see the truth, to contemplate clearly the tradition of the apostles manifested throughout the whole world; and we are in a position to reckon up those who were by the apostles instituted bishops in the Churches, and [to demonstrate] the succession of these men to our own times; those who neither taught nor knew of anything like what these [heretics] rave about. For if the apostles had known hidden mysteries, which they were in the habit of imparting to “the perfect” apart and privily from the rest, they would have delivered them especially to those to whom they were also committing the Churches themselves. For they were desirous that these men should be very perfect and blameless in all things, whom also they were leaving behind as their successors, delivering up their own place of government to these men; which men, if they discharged their functions honestly, would be a great boon [to the Church], but if they should fall away, the direst calamity.

2. Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its pre- eminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the apostolical tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere.

3. The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there were many still remaining who had received instructions from the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small dissension having occurred among the brethren at Corinth, the Church in Rome despatched a most powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the tradition which it had lately received from the apostles, proclaiming the one God, omnipotent, the Maker of heaven and earth, the Creator of man, who brought on the deluge, and called Abraham, who led the people from the land of Egypt, spake with Moses, set forth the law, sent the prophets, and who has prepared fire for the devil and his angels. From this document, whosoever chooses to do so, may learn that He, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, was preached by the Churches, and may also understand the apostolical tradition of the Church, since this Epistle is of older date than these men who are now propagating falsehood, and who conjure into existence another god beyond the Creator and the Maker of all existing things. To this Clement there succeeded Evaristus. Alexander followed Evaristus; then, sixth from the apostles, Sixtus was appointed; after him, Telephorus, who was gloriously martyred; then Hyginus; after him, Pius; then after him, Anicetus. Sorer having succeeded Anicetus, Eleutherius does now, in the twelfth place from the apostles, hold the inheritance of the episcopate. In this order, and by this succession, the ecclesiastical tradition from the apostles, and the preaching of the truth, have come down to us. And this is most abundant proof that there is one and the same vivifying faith, which has been preserved in the Church from the apostles until now, and handed down in truth.

4. But Polycarp also was not only instructed by apostles, and conversed with many who had seen Christ, but was also, by apostles in Asia, appointed bishop of the Church in Smyrna, whom I also saw in my early youth, for he tarried [on earth] a very long time, and, when a very old man, gloriously and most nobly suffering martyrdom, departed this life, having always taught the things which he had learned from the apostles, and which the Church has handed down, and which alone are true. To these things all the Asiatic Churches testify, as do also those men who have succeeded Polycarp down to the present time,—a man who was of much greater weight, and a more stedfast witness of truth, than Valentinus, and Marcion, and the rest of the heretics. He it was who, coming to Rome in the time of Anicetus caused many to turn away from the aforesaid heretics to the Church of God, proclaiming that he had received this one and sole truth from the apostles,—that, namely, which is handed down by the Church. There are also those who heard from him that John, the disciple of the Lord, going to bathe at Ephesus, and perceiving Cerinthus within, rushed out of the bath-house without bathing, exclaiming, “Let us fly, lest even the bath-house fall down, because Cerinthus, the enemy of the truth, is within.” And Polycarp himself replied to Marcion, who met him on one occasion, and said, “Dost thou know me?” “I do know thee, the first-born of Satan.” Such was the horror which the apostles and their disciples had against holding even verbal communication with any corrupters of the truth; as Paul also says, “A man that is an heretic, after the first and second admonition, reject; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.” [Tit. iii. 10]. There is also a very powerful Epistle of Polycarp written to the Philippians, from which those who choose to do so, and are anxious about their salvation, can learn the character of his faith, and the preaching of the truth. Then, again, the Church in Ephesus, founded by Paul, and having John remaining among them permanently until the times of Trajan, is a true witness of the tradition of the apostles.
"Nothing else" but confirming and proving articles for Scripture?!?! This entire chapter has exactly one biblical reference, about rebuking heretics. But the father discusses many quite "Catholic" and distinctly non-Lutheran things: none with direct biblical proofs in the immediate context. Yet, if Chemnitz is right about Irenaeus, the latter must himself believe that biblical proofs can be adduced for them; otherwise, St. Irenaeus is guilty of the same heinous error that Chemnitz often accuses "papalists" of committing: coming up with doctrines without biblical support). In any event, here are the "Catholic" notions that St. Irenaeus discusses with the most serene confidence that they are true (almost assuming that demonstration need not be given; they are so obviously true):
1) Perpetual succession of bishops (this the Lutherans rejected and put in their place the rule of secular bishops, which even Melanchthon and to a lesser extent Luther, lamented in later years).

2) The apostles instituted bishops (this also the Lutherans reject, or else (quite obviously) they would have retained bishops and apostolic succession as patristically understood, since this was (in Irenaeus' understanding) clearly an apostolic practice, having been literally instituted by the apostles.

3) Peter and Paul founded the preeminent Church of Rome (many Protestants -- I don't know about Chemnitz or confessional Lutheranism offhand -- reject this and even deny that Peter was ever in Rome, or was bishop of Rome, etc.). But Chemnitz, of course, thinks that the Church of Rome had forsaken the true apostolic faith at some point, so that schism was necessary. That is not what Irenaeus would have held at all. He would have stated -- like Catholics -- that the one true Church (a real, historical institution, headed by the pope in Rome) cannot, could not possibly defect from the true faith. Rejection of the Catholic Church and rejection of apostolic succession thus necessarily go hand in hand.

4) Every Church should agree with the Church of Rome (the Catholic Church). This was obviously rejected by Lutherans and all Protestants. Yet they continue to claim St. Irenaeus as one of their own in this respect of authority and Scripture.

5) Early papal succession is given.

6)
"things which he had learned from the apostles, and which the Church has handed down, and which alone are true." No mention of Scripture here (note the key word "alone"). Nor is it logically required to deduce from this that absolutely everything that the Church declares has express, explicit sanction in Scripture. For Irenaeus and Catholics, such things need only be harmonious and consistent with Scripture.

7) The Church of Rome was already acting with authority over other churches (letter of First Clement: a sort of primitive papal encyclical).

Sorry, this is simply not the Lutheran Rule of Faith, or sola Scriptura. It is episcopal, papal, Catholicism, pure and simple. And I think Chemnitz certainly knew enough to know better than to deny it. It's simply a case of reading the Fathers through the lens of Lutheran tradition. In a word, Chemnitz was blinded by his confessional bias and couldn't accurately report the true nature of St. Irenaeus' opinions on the matters at hand. And Irenaeus is one of his favorite Fathers to cite (St. Augustine being the only other one to rival him). If he argues this badly in this case, do we not have a clear indication of how biased the rest of his presentation is likely to be? I'm sure many similar examples will be highlighted as we pursue our critique.

Chemnitz and Lutherans, in light of all this, are burdened with a huge logical dilemma. It can be concisely expressed in the following fashion:
1) Martin Chemnitz claims that St. Irenaeus, in his famous work Against Heresies, only taught that which is expressly taught in Holy Scripture (a position agreeable to Lutheran and general Protestant adherence to sola Scriptura).

2) But Irenaeus taught in this treatise things rejected by Lutherans, such as episcopacy, apostolic succession, apostles' choosing of bishops to succeed them, Roman primacy, the papacy, Roman authority over other local churches, as a universal doctrinal standard, and truth as determined solely by apostolic succession [yet without pitting this manifest authority against Scripture]. That is no less than seven things which are not agreeable to Lutheranism [and in just one chapter!].

3) The above two propositions admit of only so many explanations; primarily (if not only) two:

A) The notions of episcopacy, apostolic succession, apostles' choosing of bishops to succeed them, Roman primacy, the papacy, Roman authority over other local churches, as a universal doctrinal standard, and truth as determined solely by apostolic succession are all doctrines expressly taught in Holy Scripture.

or:

B) St. Irenaeus in fact, did not hold only to doctrines expressly taught in Scripture and accepted some notion that is contrary to sola Scriptura.
4) If A is true, then Lutheranism has departed from biblical teaching in at least these seven ways.

5) If B is true, on the other hand, then Chemnitz has wrongly characterized Irenaeus' views and must revise and retract his presentation. St. Irenaeus would be seen to have rejected sola Scriptura or, at any rate, some primitive version of it, allegedly more "[proto-] Lutheran" than Catholic.

6) Ergo: either way, Chemnitz is overthrown by demonstrable fact and logic (which has to do with the relationship of facts and truths one to another). And St. Irenaeus is seen to be far closer to Catholic teaching in this regard than Lutheran.
The Church preserves the truth. This truth will always assuredly be in line with Scripture, and never contrary to it, but it remains true that it is proper to write as Irenaeus does, without mentioning Scripture, and to be perfectly accurate doing so, just as one can say either "Jesus is God" and "Jesus is Man" without being guilty of an inaccuracy. Lutherans and other Protestants, however, always want to de-emphasize the role of the authoritative Church, because sola Scriptura requires them to (unbiblically) deny that anything but Scripture can ever be infallible.

Chemnitz was wise to not attempt a citation of St. Irenaeus with regard to interpretation of Scripture, for this eminent Father says some exceedingly un-Lutheran things about that, too, in the same work:
CHAP. XXVI. - THE TREASURE HID IN THE SCRIPTURES IS CHRIST; THE TRUE EXPOSITION OF THE SCRIPTURES IS TO BE FOUND IN THE CHURCH ALONE.

2. Wherefore it is incumbent to obey the presbyters who are in the Church, - those who, as I have shown, possess the succession from the apostles; those who, together with the succession of the episcopate, have received the certain gift of truth, according to the good pleasure of the Father. But [it is also incumbent] to hold in suspicion others who depart from the primitive succession, and assemble themselves together in any place whatsoever, [looking upon them] either as heretics of perverse minds, or as schismaries puffed up and self-pleasing, or again as hypocrites, acting thus for the sake of lucre and vainglory. For all these have fallen from the truth . . .

4. From all such persons, therefore, it be-bores us to keep aloof, but to adhere to those who, as I have already observed, do hold the doctrine of the apostles, and who, together with the order of priesthood (presbyterii ordine), display sound speech and blameless conduct for the confirmation and correction of others . . .

5. Such presbyters does the Church nourish . . . Where, therefore, the gifts of the Lord have been placed, there it behoves us to learn the truth, [namely,] from those who possess that succession of the Church which is from the apostles? and among whom exists that which is sound and blameless in conduct, as well as that which is unadulterated and incorrupt in speech. For these also preserve this faith of ours in one God who created all things; and they increase that love [which we have] for the Son of God, who accomplished such marvellous dispensations for our sake: and they expound the Scriptures to us without danger, neither blaspheming God, nor dishonouring the patriarchs, nor despising the prophets.

(Against Heresies, 4, 26, 2,4-5; chapter 26 is entitled, "THE TREASURE HID IN THE SCRIPTURES IS CHRIST; THE TRUE EXPOSITION OF THE SCRIPTURES IS TO BE FOUND IN THE CHURCH ALONE")
St. Irenaeus very clearly expresses the dogmatic authority of the Church, bound up with apostolic succession. No one can deny this authority. But sure enough, Luther and the Lutherans (and all Protestants following them) did. Thus Chemnitz expressly contradicts St. Irenaeus' teaching above, with the following words:

[T]hey contend that the gift of interpretation is so bound to the regular succession of the bishops . . . they imagine that the gift of interpretation is inseparately
[translator typo?: seemingly should be "inseparably"?] bound to the throne of the bishops. But this is false . . .(p. 209)

There is therefore no dictatorial or pontifical authority of interpretation in the church . . . (p. 211)

Yet that is exactly what St. Irenaeus taught above. So that Father must go "down" with the Catholic Church, to the extent that Chemnitz condemns the latter on this issue. It's a matter of rudimentary consistency and historical fact. If the Catholic apologist like myself (or patristics scholar, or biographer, etc., etc.) can demonstrate that on such-and-such a point some Father agreed far more with Catholicism, then Chemnitz ought to have conceded that point and to have condemned the Father along with his condemnations of Catholic teaching and authority. They are one and the same.

This is a classic instance, and I will demonstrate dozens of similar ones as I proceed. The Catholic case gets inevitably stronger as the accumulation of patristic evidence piles up. But Chemnitz (with some few exceptions) does not want to present this sort of anomalous evidence because it doesn't support his case that Lutheranism is the true inheritor and preserver of the patristic theological legacy. I've always contended that Catholics need not fear patristic evidence anymore than they need fear the Bible, as both are firmly on our side, over against any form of Protestantism, where the latter depart from our doctrines.

For much more documentation about St. Irenaeus' view of the Bible and Tradition issue, see section IX of Part II of my paper: Reply to Jason Engwer's "Catholic But Not Roman Catholic" Series on the Church Fathers: Sola Scriptura: An In-Depth Analysis of Ten Church Fathers' Views Pertaining to the Rule of Faith.

I cited several Protestant scholars' appraisal of Irenaeus' views. Here are some highlights:
Besides appealing to the Scriptures, the fathers, particularly Irenaeus and Tertullian, refer with equal confidence to the "rule of faith;" that is, the common faith of the church, as orally handed down in the unbroken succession of bishops from Christ and his apostles to their day, and above all as still living in the original apostolic churches, like those of Jerusalem, Antioch, Ephesus, and Rome. Tradition is thus intimately connected with the primitive episcopate. The latter was the vehicle of the former, and both were looked upon as bulwarks against heresy.

Irenaeus confronts the secret tradition of the Gnostics with the open and unadulterated tradition of the catholic church, and points to all churches, but particularly to Rome, as the visible centre of the unity of doctrine. All who would know the truth, says he, can see in the whole church the tradition of the apostles; and we can count the bishops ordained by the apostles, and their successors down to our time, who neither taught nor knew any such heresies. Then, by way of example, he cites the first twelve bishops of the Roman church from Linus to Eleutherus, as witnesses of the pure apostolic doctrine. He might conceive of a Christianity without scripture, but he could not imagine a Christianity without living tradition; and for this opinion he refers to barbarian tribes, who have the gospel, "sine charta et atramento," written in their hearts.

(Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol. II: Ante-Nicene Christianity: A.D. 100-325, Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1970; reproduction of 5th revised edition of 1910, Chapter XII, section 139, "Catholic Tradition," 525-526)
His most characteristic thought, however, is that the Church is the sole repository of the truth, and is such because it has a monopoly of the apostolic writings, the apostolic oral tradition and the apostolic faith. Because of its proclamation of this one faith inherited from the apostles, the Church, scattered as it is throughout the entire world, can claim to be one [haer. 1,10,2]. Hence his emphasis [E.g., ib. 1,9,4; 1,10,1 f; 1,22,1] on 'the canon of the truth', i.e. the framework of doctrine which is handed down in the Church and which, in contrast to the variegated teachings of the Gnostics, is identical and self-consistent everywhere. In a previous chapter we noted his theory that the unbroken succession of bishops in the great sees going back to the apostles themselves provides a guarantee that this faith is identical with the message which they originally proclaimed.

(J.N.D. Kelly, Early Christian Doctrines, HarperSanFrancisco, revised 1978 edition, 192)

But where in practice was this apostolic testimony or tradition to be found? . . . The most obvious answer was that the apostles had committed it orally to the Church, where it had been handed down from generation to generation. Irenaeus believed that this was the case, stating [Haer. 5, praef] that the Church preserved the tradition inherited from the Apostles and passed it on to her children. It was, he thought, a living tradition which was, in principle, independent of written documents; and he pointed [Ib. 3,4,1 f.] to barbarian tribes which 'received this faith without letters'. Unlike the alleged secret tradition of the Gnostics, it was entirely public and open, having been entrusted by the apostles to their successors, and by these in turn to those who followed them, and was visible in the Church for all who cared to look for it [Ib. 3,2-5]. It was his argument with the Gnostics which led him to apply [Ib. 3,2-5 (16 times)]the word 'tradition', in a novel and restricted sense, specifically to the Church's oral teaching as distinct from that contained in Scripture. For practical purposes this tradition could be regarded as finding expression in what he called 'the canon of the truth'. By this he meant, as his frequent allusions [E.g. ib. 1,10,1 f; 1,22,1; 5,20,1; dem. 6] to and citations from it prove, a condensed summary, fluid in its wording but fixed in content, setting out the key-points of the Christian revelation in the form of a rule. Irenaeus makes two further points. First, the identity of oral tradition with the original revelation is guaranteed by the unbroken succession of bishops in the great sees going back lineally to the apostles [Cf. haer. 3,2,2; 3,3,3; 3,4,1]. Secondly, an additional safeguard is supplied by the Holy Spirit, for the message was committed to the Church, and the Church is the home of the Spirit [E.g. ib. 3,24,1]. Indeed, the Church's bishops are on his view Spirit-endowed men who have been vouchsafed 'an infalible charism of truth' (charisma veritatis certum [Ib. 4,26,2; cf. 4,26,5] ).

On the other hand, Irenaeus took it for granted that the apostolic tradition had also been deposited in written documents. As he says, [Haer. 3,1,1] what the apostles at first proclaimed by word of mouth, they afterwards by God's will conveyed to us in Scriptures . . . the New [Testament] was in his eyes the written formulation of the apostolic tradition . . . [Ib. 3,1,1; cf. 3,1,2; 3,10,6; 3,14,2] . . . Irenaeus was satisfied [Ib. 2,27,2] that, provided the Bible was taken as a whole, its teaching was self-evident. The heretics who misinterpreted it only did so because, disregarding its underlying unity, they seized upon isolated passages and rearranged them to suit their own ideas. [Ib. 1,8,1; 1,9,1-4] Scripture must be interpreted in the light of its fundamental ground-plan, viz. the original revelation itself. For that reason correct exegesis was the prerogative of the Church, where the apostolic doctrine which was the key to Scripture had been kept intact. [Ib. 4,26,5; 4,32,1; 5,20,2]

Did Irenaeus subordinate Scripture to unwritten tradition? This inference has been commonly drawn, but it issues from a somewhat misleading antithesis. its plausibility depends on such considerations as (a) that, in controversy with the Gnostics, tradition rather than Scripture seemed to be his final court of appeal, and (b) thathe apparently relied upon tradition to establish the true exegesis of Scripture. But a careful analysis of his Adversus haereses reveals that, while the Gnostics' appeal to their supposed secret tradition forced him to stress the superiority of the Church's public tradition, his real defence of orthodoxy was founded on Scripture. [Cf. ib. 2,35,4; 3, praef.; 3,2,1; 3,5,1; 4, praef., 5, praef.] Indeed, tradition itself, on his view, was confirmed by Scripture, which was 'the foundation and pillar of our faith'. [Ib. 3, praef.; 3,1,1] Secondly, Irenaeus admittedly suggested [Ib. 1,9,4] that a firm grasp of 'the canon of the truth' received at baptism would prevent a man from distorting the sense of Scripture. But this 'canon', so far from being something distinct from scripture, was simply a condensation of the message contained in it. Being by its very nature normative in form, it provided a man with a handy clue to Scripture, whose very ramifications played into the hands of heretics. The whole point of his teaching wa, in fact, that Scripture and the Church's unwritten tradition are identical in content, both being vehicles of the revelation. If tradition as conveyed in the 'canon' is a more trustworthy guide, this is not because it comprises truths other than those revealed in Scripture, but because the true tenor of the apostolic message is there unambiguously set out.

(Early Christian Doctrines, HarperSanFrancisco, revised 1978 edition, 37-39; cf. similar statements from Kelly on pages 44 and 47)

See also another lengthy citation from Lutheran historian Jaroslav Pelikan in my above-mentioned paper, along with several comparisons to Vatican II teaching which are virtually identical to what St. Irenaeus was expressing, seen above, and commented upon by Schaff, Kelly, and Pelikan.

St. Irenaeus, in effect, rejects the path taken by the Lutherans, in going their own way, rejecting Catholic Church authority, in this passage:

1. Now all these [heretics] are of much later date than the bishops to whom the apostles committed the Churches; which fact I have in the third book taken all pains to demonstrate. It follows, then, as a matter of course, that these heretics aforementioned, since they are blind to the truth, and deviate from the [right] way, will walk in various roads; and therefore the footsteps of their doctrine are scattered here and there without agreement or connection. But the path of those belonging to the Church circumscribes the whole world, as possessing the sure tradition from the apostles, and gives unto us to see that the faith of all is one and the same, since all receive one and the same God the Father, and believe in the same dispensation regarding the incarnation of the Son of God, and are cognizant of the same gift of the Spirit, and are conversant with the same commandments, and preserve the same form of ecclesiastical constitution, and expect the same advent of the Lord, and await the same salvation of the complete man, that is, of the soul and body. And undoubtedly the preaching of the Church is true and stedfast, in which one and the same way of salvation is shown throughout the whole world. For to her is entrusted the light of God; and therefore the "wisdom" of God, by means of which she saves all men, "is declared in [its] going forth; it uttereth [its voice] faithfully in the streets, is preached on the tops of the walls, and speaks continually in the gates of the city." For the Church preaches the truth everywhere, and she is the seven-branched candlestick which bears the light of Christ.

2. Those, therefore, who desert the preaching of the Church, call in question the knowledge of the holy presbyters, not taking into consideration of how much greater consequence is a religious man, even in a private station, than a blasphemous and impudent sophist. Now, such are all the heretics, and those who imagine that they have hit upon something more beyond the truth, so that by following those things already mentioned, proceeding on their way variously, in harmoniously, and foolishly, not keeping always to the same opinions with regard to the same things, as blind men are led by the blind, they shall deservedly fall into the ditch of ignorance lying in their path, ever seeking and never finding out the truth. It behoves us, therefore, to avoid their doctrines, and to take careful heed lest we suffer any injury from them; but to flee to the Church, and be brought up in her bosom, and be nourished with the Lord's Scriptures . . .

(Against Heresies, 5, 20, 1-2)
Chemnitz's Appeal to Tertullian as a Supposed Proto-Lutheran Falls Flat

Note again what Chemnitz wrote about Tertullian regarding the rule of faith:

[B]oth Irenaeus and Tertullian [De praescriptione] expressly tell us concerning which dogmas of the faith this dispute was undertaken; for they recite almost word for word those articles of faith which today make up the symbol called the Apostles' Creed. Can these articles of faith not be proved, demonstrated, and established from Scripture? . . . Let this be observed, for then the reader will know with what cunning the papalists twist these arguments of Irenaeus and Tertullian to their traditions, concerning which they themselves confess that they cannot be proved with any testimony of Scripture. (pp. 232-233)

As to Tertullian seeking to ground all doctrine in Scripture, or harmonious with Scripture (meaning that there may not always be explicit proofs, as Chemnitz himself later concedes with regard to, e.g., infant baptism) we have no disagreement. Catholics believe the same. Yet in this same work, Tertullian clearly opts for the binding authority of apostolic succession and the Church: exactly what Chemnitz and Lutherans deny:
Chapter 19. Appeal, in Discussion of Heresy, Lies Not to the Scriptures. The Scriptures Belong Only to Those Who Have the Rule of Faith.

Our appeal, therefore, must not be made to the Scriptures; nor must controversy be admitted on points in which victory will either be impossible, or uncertain, or not certain enough. But even if a discussion from the Scriptures should not turn out in such a way as to place both sides on a par, (yet) the natural order of things would require that this point should be first proposed, which is now the only one which we must discuss:"With whom lies that very faith to which the Scriptures belong. From what and through whom, and when, and to whom, has been handed down that rule, by which men become Christians?" For wherever it shall be manifest that the true Christian rule and faith shall be, there will likewise be the true Scriptures and expositions thereof, and all the Christian traditions.

[ . . . ]

Chapter 21. All Doctrine True Which Comes Through the Church from the Apostles, Who Were Taught by God Through Christ. All Opinion Which Has No Such Divine Origin and Apostolic Tradition to Show, is Ipso Facto False.


From this, therefore, do we draw up our rule. Since the Lord Jesus Christ sent the apostles to preach, (our rule is) that no others ought to be received as preachers than those whom Christ appointed; for "no man knows the Father save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him." Matthew 11:27 Nor does the Son seem to have revealed Him to any other than the apostles, whom He sent forth to preach—that, of course, which He revealed to them. Now, what that was which they preached—in other words, what it was which Christ revealed to them—can, as I must here likewise prescribe, properly be proved in no other way than by those very churches which the apostles founded in person, by declaring the gospel to them directly themselves, both vivâ voce, as the phrase is, and subsequently by their epistles. If, then, these things are so, it is in the same degree manifest that all doctrine which agrees with the apostolic churches—those moulds and original sources of the faith must be reckoned for truth, as undoubtedly containing that which the (said) churches received from the apostles, the apostles from Christ, Christ from God. Whereas all doctrine must be prejudged as false which savours of contrariety to the truth of the churches and apostles of Christ and God. It remains, then, that we demonstrate whether this doctrine of ours, of which we have now given the rule, has its origin in the tradition of the apostles, and whether all other doctrines do not ipso facto proceed from falsehood. We hold communion with the apostolic churches because our doctrine is in no respect different from theirs. This is our witness of truth.

[ . . . ]

Chapter 28. The One Tradition of the Faith, Which is Substantially Alike in the Churches Everywhere, a Good Proof that the Transmission Has Been True and Honest in the Main.

Grant, then, that all have erred; that the apostle was mistaken in giving his testimony; that the Holy Ghost had no such respect to any one (church) as to lead it into truth, although sent with this view by Christ, John 14:26 and for this asked of the Father that He might be the teacher of truth; John 15:26 grant, also, that He, the Steward of God, the Vicar of Christ, neglected His office, permitting the churches for a time to understand differently, (and) to believe differently, what He Himself was preaching by the apostles,—is it likely that so many churches, and they so great, should have gone astray into one and the same faith? No casualty distributed among many men issues in one and the same result. Error of doctrine in the churches must necessarily have produced various issues. When, however, that which is deposited among many is found to be one and the same, it is not the result of error, but of tradition. Can any one, then, be reckless enough to say that they were in error who handed on the tradition?

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Chapter 32. None of the Heretics Claim Succession from the Apostles. New Churches Still Apostolic, Because Their Faith is that Which the Apostles Taught and Handed Down. The Heretics Challenged to Show Any Apostolic Credentials.

But if there be any (heresies) which are bold enough to plant themselves in the midst of the apostolic age, that they may thereby seem to have been handed down by the apostles, because they existed in the time of the apostles, we can say: Let them produce the original records of their churches; let them unfold the roll of their bishops, running down in due succession from the beginning in such a manner that [that first bishop of theirs] bishop shall be able to show for his ordainer and predecessor some one of the apostles or of apostolic men,—a man, moreover, who continued steadfast with the apostles. For this is the manner in which the apostolic churches transmit their registers: as the church of Smyrna, which records that Polycarp was placed therein by John; as also the church of Rome, which makes Clement to have been ordained in like manner by Peter. In exactly the same way the other churches likewise exhibit (their several worthies), whom, as having been appointed to their episcopal places by apostles, they regard as transmitters of the apostolic seed. Let the heretics contrive something of the same kind. For after their blasphemy, what is there that is unlawful for them (to attempt)? But should they even effect the contrivance, they will not advance a step. For their very doctrine, after comparison with that of the apostles, will declare, by its own diversity and contrariety, that it had for its author neither an apostle nor an apostolic man; because, as the apostles would never have taught things which were self-contradictory, so the apostolic men would not have inculcated teaching different from the apostles, unless they who received their instruction from the apostles went and preached in a contrary manner. To this test, therefore will they be submitted for proof by those churches, who, although they derive not their founder from apostles or apostolic men (as being of much later date, for they are in fact being founded daily), yet, since they agree in the same faith, they are accounted as not less apostolic because they are akin in doctrine. Then let all the heresies, when challenged to these two tests by our apostolic church, offer their proof of how they deem themselves to be apostolic. But in truth they neither are so, nor are they able to prove themselves to be what they are not. Nor are they admitted to peaceful relations and communion by such churches as are in any way connected with apostles, inasmuch as they are in no sense themselves apostolic because of their diversity as to the mysteries of the faith.


(The Prescription Against Heretics, chapters 19, 21, 28, 32)
Chemnitz doesn't write like this; most Protestants do not. This is (again) Catholicism. It is perfectly permissible to say that truth is grounded in apostolic succession and the Church grounded therein. It is also true to say that truth is grounded in Holy Scripture, The two do not contradict. But they need not always be stated together. Chemnitz will only state them together while stressing over and over again that Scripture is over Tradition and the Church.

But Tertullian, Irenaeus, and other Fathers saw no need to dichotomize and categorize like that. They simply didn't think in those terms (as historians of doctrine have stressed). It requires revisionism and historical anachronism to make out that they thought like 16th century Lutherans on these issues. Chemnitz has the same exact problem, then, with Tertullian here, that he had with Irenaeus (since he made the same exact argument for both, and both are seen to not conform to his characterization). Hence, Anglican historian J.N.D. Kelly summarizes Tertullian's view (over against Chemnitz' interpretation):
[F]for Tertullain what was believed and preached in the churches was absolutely authoritative [Kelly cited the passage above as proof] . . . on occasion [he] described this original message as tradition, using the word to denote the teaching delivered by the apostles, without any implied contrast between tradition and Scripture . . . Tertullian can refer [Ib. 21; c. Marc. I, 21;4 5] to the whole body of apostolic doctrine, whether delivered orally or in epistles, as apostolorum traditio or apostolica traditio . . .

Tertullian's attitude does not differ from Irenaeus's in any important respect . . . In its primary sense, however, the apostolic, evangelical or Catholic tradition [C. Marc. 4, 5; 5, 19; de monog. 2] stood for the faith delivered by the apostles, and he never contrasted tradition so understood with Scripture . . .

But Tertullian did not confine the apostolic tradition to the New Testament; even if Scripture were to be set on one side, it would still be found in the doctrine publicly proclaimed by the churches. Like Irenaeus, he found [E.g., de praescr. 21; 32; c. Marc. 4, 5] the surest test of the authenticity of this doctrine in the fact that the churches had been founded by, and were continuously linked with, the apostles; and as a further guarantee he added [De praescr. 28] their otherwise inexplicable unanimity . . .

This unwritten tradition he considered to be virtually identical with the 'rule of faith' (regula fidei), which he preferred to Scripture as a standard when disputing with Gnostics . . . where controversy with heretics breaks out, the right interpretation can be found only where the true Christian faith and discipline have been maintained, i.e., in the Church [De praescr. 19] . . .

He was also satisfied, and made the point even more forcibly than Irenaeus, that the indispensable key to Scripture belonged exclusively to the Church, which in the regula had preserved the apostles' testimony in its original shape. . . . the one divine revelation was contained in its fulness both in the Bible and in the Church's continuous public witness.

(Early Christian Doctrines, ibid., 36, 39-41)
This is absolutely contrary and antithetical to Chemnitz' interpretation of what Tertullian taught about the Rule of Faith. And it is, I think, sufficiently documented from the relevant primary sources (whereas Chemnitz blithely ignores the massive counter-evidence so that his readers remain utterly ignorant of it).

The above two instances are just two of many , many of the same ahistorical dilemma faced by Lutherans, who claim to be in line with patristic teaching. Chemnitz' claims for these two great figures were examined and found to be desperately wanting. He failed. I won't maintain that he was deliberately lying or twisting or being a sophist (i.e., all the things he accuses Catholics of). But he is simply flat-wrong, incorrect, in error, mistaken. If someone disagrees, they are more than welcome (in fact, highly encouraged!) to overthrow my arguments and documentation in support of them.

Now, bearing in mind what we have already seen, of the surprising weakness and groundlessness of Chemnitz' argument, observe the absurdity and untruth of what he writes after he makes it:

[W]e say, and the obviousness of the matter confirms it, that there is a greater difference between the primitive apostolic church and the papal kingdom than there is between heaven and earth. Therefore they must prove that their church is apostolic before they can arrogate this privilege to themselves . . . (pp. 235-236)

[T]his will be the question, whether Irenaeus and Tertullian were setting forth and proving another and different doctrine than the one handed down in the Scripture, that is, whether they argued and showed that the church at that time had many teachings and mysteries of the faith from traditions which could not be proved from any testimony of Scripture. That this is the point of controversy between us and the papalists we have already said repeatedly. (p. 236)

The reason, however, why they appealed to tradition. although they had many and very firm testimonies in Scripture, we have set forth above, namely, that they might show the agreement between the true apostolic tradition and the Scripture. (p. 236)

For not even one iota can be shown in the whole disputation of
Irenaeus and Tertullian about any dogma which they put forth from tradition alone in such a way that it cannot be proved by any testimony of Scripture. (p. 236)

Irenaeus afterward proves at length from the Scripture the same thing that he had first shown from tradition. (p. 237)

He [Irenaeus] does not speak of dogmas of faith which cannot be proved by any testimony of Scripture. (p. 238)

For we have shown that
Irenaeus and Tertullian prove the agreement of the apostolic tradition with the Scripture, so that tradition may not be set in opposition to the Scripture. . . . (p. 239)

When, therefore, traditions are set forth which do not agree with the Scripture and which cannot be shown and proved from the Scripture, it is quite certain that they are not apostolic . . . For this reason I diligently commend to the reader this disputation of Irenaeus and of Tertullian. (p. 239)

If therefore someone asks with true and pious zeal what is the truly ancient and apostolic tradition, it is not necessary to invent fables about purgatory, holy water, and the like. For
Irenaeus and Tertullian, in that disputation about which we have already said so much, do not speak only in general, but they show, describe, and tell clearly in express words what the apostolic tradition is. (p. 240)

These genuine, ancient, and true traditions of the apostles we embrace with deepest reverence. (p. 246)

Alright; if Chemnitz is so reverential towards "true traditions" taught by the likes of Tertullian, then I wonder what he would have thought about the following beliefs ("fables"?), espoused by Tertullian? Did he get these from the Bible, too, just as he supposedly always does (according to Chemnitz)?:
And how long shall we draw the saw to and fro through this line, when we have an ancient practice, which by anticipation has made for us the state, i.e., of the question? If no passage of Scripture has prescribed it, assuredly custom, which without doubt flowed from tradition, has confirmed it. For how can anything come into use, if it has not first been handed down? Even in pleading tradition, written authority, you say, must be demanded. Let us inquire, therefore, whether tradition, unless it be written, should not be admitted. Certainly we shall say that it ought not to be admitted, if no cases of other practices which, without any written instrument, we maintain on the ground of tradition alone, and the countenance thereafter of custom, affords us any precedent . . . As often as the anniversary comes round, we make offerings for the dead as birthday honours.

(The Crown [De Corona], 3, 3, my emphasis; The birthday "anniversary" is a commemoration of the date of death: i.e., a saved person's birthday into eternal life)

Indeed, she prays for his soul, and requests refreshment for him meanwhile, and fellowship (with him) in the first resurrection; and she offers (her sacrifice) on the anniversaries of his falling asleep.

(Monogamy, 10; my emphasis)
I shall conclude with a marvelous contra-Protestant argument made by Cardinal Newman, regarding this very belief of Tertullian's, comparing its authority to that of his espousal of the canonicity of Philemon (it has much relevance to Chemnitz's own incoherence and inconsistency with regard to patristic beliefs, compared to Lutheran and Catholic)

For instance; the first Father who expressly mentions Commemorations for the Dead in Christ (such as we still have in substance at the end of the prayer for the Church Militant, where it was happily restored in 1662, having been omitted a century earlier), is Tertullian, about a hundred years after St. John's death. This, it is said, is not authority early enough to prove that that Ordinance is Apostolical, though succeeding Fathers, Origen, St. Cyprian, Eusebius, St. Cyril of Jerusalem, etc., bear witness to it ever so strongly. "Errors might have crept in by that time; mistakes might have been made; Tertullian is but one man, and confessedly not sound in many of his opinions; we ought to have clearer and more decisive evidence." Well, supposing it: suppose Tertullian, a hundred years after St. John, is the first that mentions it, yet Tertullian is also the first who refers to St. Paul's Epistle to Philemon, and even he without quoting or naming it. He is followed by two writers; one of Rome, Caius, whose work is not extant, but is referred to by Eusebius, who, speaking of thirteen Epistles of St. Paul, and as excluding the Hebrews, by implication includes that to Philemon; and the other, Origen, who quotes the fourteenth verse of the Epistle, and elsewhere speaks of fourteen Epistles of St. Paul. Next, at the end of the third century, follows Eusebius. Further, St. Jerome observes, that in his time some persons doubted whether it was St. Paul's (just as Aerius about that time questioned the Commemorations for the Dead), or at least whether it was canonical, and that from internal evidence; to which he opposes the general consent of external testimony as a sufficient answer. Now, I ask, why do we receive the Epistle to Philemon as St. Paul's, and not the Commemorations for the faithful departed as Apostolical also? Ever after indeed the date of St. Jerome, the Epistle to Philemon was accounted St. Paul's, and so too ever after the same date the Commemorations which I have spoken of are acknowledged on all hands to have been observed as a religious duty, down to three hundred years ago. If it be said that from historical records we have good reasons for thinking that the Epistle of St. Paul to Philemon, with his other Epistles, was read from time immemorial in Church, which is a witness independent of particular testimonies in the Fathers, I answer, no evidence can be more satisfactory and conclusive to a well-judging mind; but then it is a moral evidence, resting on very little formal and producible proof; and quite as much evidence can be given for the solemn Commemorations of the Dead in the Holy Eucharist which I speak of. They too were in use in the Church from time immemorial. Persons, then, who have the heart to give up and annul the Ordinance, will not, if they are consistent, scruple much at the Epistle. If in the sixteenth century the innovators on religion had struck the Epistle to Philemon out of Scripture, they would have had just as much right to do it as to abolish these Commemorations; and those who wished to defend such innovation as regards the Epistle to Philemon, would have had just as much to say in its behalf as those had who put an end to the Commemorations.

If it be said they found nothing on the subject of such Commemorations in Scripture, even granting this for argument's sake, yet I wonder where they found in Scripture that the Epistle to Philemon was written by St. Paul, except indeed in the Epistle itself. Nowhere; yet they kept the one, they abolished the other - as far, that is, as human tyranny could abolish it. Let us be thankful that they did not also say, "The Epistle to Philemon is of a private nature, and has no marks of inspiration about it. It is not mentioned by name or quoted by any writer till Origen, who flourished at a time when mistakes had begun, in the third century, and who actually thinks St. Barnabas wrote the Epistle which goes under his name; and he too, after all, just mentions it once, but not as inspired or canonical, and also just happens to speak elsewhere of St. Paul's fourteen Epistles. In the beginning of the fourth century, Eusebius, without anywhere naming this Epistle," (as far as I can discover,) "also speaks of fourteen Epistles, and speaks of a writer one hundred years earlier, who in like manner enumerated thirteen besides the Hebrews. All this is very unsatisfactory. We will have nothing but the pure word of God; we will only admit what has the clearest proof. It is impossible that God should require us to believe a book to come from Him without authenticating it with the highest and most cogent evidence."

(Discussions and Arguments on Various Subjects, "Lecture 6. External Difficulties of the Canon and the Catholic Creed, compared," London: Longmans, Green, & Co., 1872, 201, 203-209; bolded emphases added, italics are Newman's own)

Monday, August 27, 2007

Response to Josh Strodtbeck's Tired Anti-Apologetics Rantings

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Here is his entire recent post, followed by my point-by-point responses:

Chemnitz vs the "Professional" Apologist

Dave Armstrong attempts to critique Chemnitz here [links to an article of mine], but ends up mostly whining about how mean-spirited early Lutherans were. Read it--some things practically write their own satirical commentary. I for one couldn't read this without a running satire popping up in my head every 7th word or so.

On a related note, I used to think if you were a "professional apologist," meant you were acting on official behalf of the Vatican as a salaried representative or something. For those who assumed the same thing, I have a little insight: "Professional apologetics" is actually a subculture of post-Protestants within Catholicism. They by and large are not scholars who do critical analysis of primary texts; rather, their main audience is other Catholics and they often self-publish. One could psychoanalyze them all day, but I'll skip that and say that mostly their arguments are 1-liners for the easily amused or the simple. That's because they aren't part of Catholic academia or the Magisterium; they're part of American Catholic pop culture and as such should be taken about as seriously as glow-in-the-dark statues of Mary.

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1) "On a related note, I used to think if you were a "professional apologist," meant you were acting on official behalf of the Vatican as a salaried representative or something."

Not necessary at all. It means you are an apologist making a living from that profession. The Vatican highly encourages lay apologetics efforts, as I have documented on my site. Much ado about nothing. Steve Hays of Triablogue fame tries to make the same emptyheaded argument. You guys simply don't know what you're talking about with regard to how the Catholic Church regards lay apostolates.

And for that reason these accusations are never substantiated with any official statements. They just sort of hang there, like urban legends.

2) "For those who assumed the same thing, I have a little insight: "Professional apologetics" is actually a subculture of post-Protestants within Catholicism."

Well, that is the oft-heard charge, but it has no substance, if you can't prove that we are somehow smuggling Protestant notions that are contrary to Catholic dogma into the Catholic faith. You think you can do that in my own case? Be my guest. It would be nice to actually see some substance and rational argument back up your sophomoric blustering.

Catholic apologetics has always had a close relationship to converts (Newman, Knox, Benson, Chesterton et al), because converts tend to have more interest in defending the faith (presumably in many cases because their own situation requires them to defend, due to all the questioning from Protestant friends and family).

I should add, too, though, that this is a rank insult to the many lifelong Catholics who are doing apologetics, too; in fact, many of the more well-known and good apologists out there; folks like Karl Keating, Pat Madrid, Gary Michuta, Phil Porvaznik, Fr. Peter Stravinskas, Fr. Mitch Pacwa, and many others. To say the whole enterprise is simply "post-Protestant" is sheer stupidity.

3) "They by and large are not scholars who do critical analysis of primary texts . . ."

So what? This is irrelevant. An apologist need not be a scholar (though many are). The two things aren't identical. Why the need to keep acting as if they were, so that non-scholars (like myself and many others) are somehow regarded as second-class citizens or operating under some unsavory pretense? I've always marveled at this.

In point of fact, many of the greatest and most influential apologists, both Protestant and Catholic, were amateurs, in terms of theological education. G.K. Chesterton had no degree at all. C.S. Lewis had no theological training, as far as I know. He was an English professor. Peter Kreeft is a philosopher. Thomas Howard is an English professor. Malcolm Muggeridge was a journalist. Etc., etc.

So if you must, lash out ignorantly at the non-formally trained professional apologists like myself. But be consistent and go after Chesterton and Lewis also. If you want to "argue" for a dumb position, at least be consistent.

4) "rather, their main audience is other Catholics . . ."

This I agree with. Most apologetics (Protestant or Catholic) is paid attention to far more by existing partisans than by outsiders. But that is the nature of the beast (and human nature). That's fine with me, though. I see a large part of my task as building up the faithful and helping them have more intellectual confidence in their beliefs.

5) ". . . and they often self-publish."

Sometimes. Most of the known Catholic apologists I know of, however, are published by reputable publishers. Steve Ray is with Ignatius. Scott Hahn is with Doubleday, etc.

How about myself? As I have stated over and over (because others have implied that I am only self-published), I have three books published with Sophia Institute Press. Two have been consistent bestsellers in the Top 100 on amazon for Catholic theology. They even often appear on the general Christian apologetics Top 100 list. I also have The New Catholic Answer Bible and a popular pamphlet published with Our Sunday Visitor: the largest Catholic publisher.

Say what you will about me, but I am not simply self-published.

6) "One could psychoanalyze them all day,. . ."

Yeah, I know. That's about all you seem capable of, with imbecilic posts such as this one.

"but I'll skip that . . ."

That would be nice, but it's about all you do!

7) "and say that mostly their arguments are 1-liners for the easily amused or the simple."

Why don't you refute them, then, instead of only talking a good game?

8) "That's because they aren't part of Catholic academia or the Magisterium"

No one ever claimed to be the latter, and no non-scholar apologist I know has ever, to my knowledge, falsely claimed to be a scholar.

9) "they're part of American Catholic pop culture and as such should be taken about as seriously as glow-in-the-dark statues of Mary."

What does that make you, then? A former Lutheran seminarian with a blog and a big mouth, who spends most of his time running down other Christians (and often his own denomination) and making smart ass remarks. Anything you say about folks like myself, and my apologist friends, only comes back to make you look all the more ridiculous. You have no authority. You're no scholar. Why should anyone pay any attention to you? You're not only not self-published, but not published at all, as far as I know (if I'm wrong, I'll be happy to be corrected). Yet you feel that you can sit and take ignorant potshots at others. Don't you have better things to do with your time?

At least we're out here trying to do something constructive and helping other human beings grapple with issues of faith, instead of just shooting our mouths off, as if Christianity were some juvenile game of one-upsmanship.

I've dialogued with many Lutherans for whom I have much respect (and far more educated and credentialed than you). But one can't even get to first base with you.

Jim writes in comments:
At the very least, a 'professional apologist' would need to make his living from it.

I mean, it'd be sort of funny to go around claiming to be a "professional football player" while admitting that you can't support yourself or your family by playing football.
Indeed. Since December 2001 when the company I was working for went out of business, I have had other jobs in addition to my apologetics for exactly two years and eight months. The rest of the time (three years and one month) I was doing full-time apologetics and no other kind of work. Sometimes I do the tentmaker model. Most of the time I have done apologetics I have done that. But I have also lived solely from income produced by apologetics.

Is that good enough for you? Or are royalties not legitimate income? I have supported my family of six since that time primarily with income generated by apologetics. And we are homeowners and my wife doesn't work outside the home (she homeschools our four children). We even have great vacations every year (not cruises paid by someone else but paid for entirely by ourselves).

I received royalty checks in August totalling over $4700. You think that is easy to do? Okay; go out and write a book, get it published and see how many copies you can sell. Best wishes! And my royalty figure above was just from Sophia. I also received $1280 from Our Sunday Visitor in July. Sounds pretty "professional" to me. Yet you want to put the word in quotes.

Saturday, August 25, 2007

David T. King: the King of Misrepresentation and Non Sequitur, Does it Again / James White's "Meltdown" Mantra

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David T. King: anti-Catholic Presbyterian pastor [not Reformed Baptist, as I originally erroneously stated], has a long history of running down Catholics in the most uncharitable, vitriolic fashion. He and I (as one would expect) have a difficult history, running back eleven years now (though our actual interactions are quite rare). I discovered that he was mocking and belittling Catholics on Eric Svendsen's forum one day, and making out that they were lying ignoramuses when they denied that Cardinal Newman's development of doctrine was the equivalent of the liberal evolution of dogma, condemned by the Church.

In particular, King claimed that Pope St. Pius X himself condemned Newman's development theory as liberal heterodoxy; that is, until I produced (among other things) a personal letter from the pope that showed quite otherwise (see the "debate").

His book-writing partner (in favor of sola Scriptura), William Webster, is little more impressive when he takes on the Church, and showed himself grossly ignorant of many aspects of Catholic belief (particularly the nature of the papacy and Catholic apologetic arguments for it, and development of doctrine), as I demonstrated in two critiques (one / two) of his work (he has never replied to either at all: not one single word: silence is sometimes the best policy to take when one has no sensible answer).

Their arguments supposedly proving that the Fathers en masse believed in sola Scriptura are beyond shallow, and reach realms of inept argumentation rarely seen in any serious, published work of theology of any stripe. I've even seen Jehovah's Witnesses arguments that hold more force and compulsion than King's and Webster's relentless non sequiturs of historical revisionism and anachronism. But that is another topic . . .

King fled for the Georgia hills shortly after the Newman / Pius X debacle, being apparently too proud to issue a gentlemanly apology, and likely embarrassed that he had made such an utter fool of himself, even while ridiculing others as fools and simpletons (the turn-the-tables irony and ignominy was not lost on him, I'm sure).

Tim Enloe was recruited to defend King in the forum, since he couldn't or wouldn't do so himself (King and Enloe later had a bitter falling-out when the latter figured out that anti-Catholicism is a bunch of hooey). Pastor King has never seriously taken on any of my arguments since. But he does emerge from the shadows once in a while (like a skittish squirrel) to "nip at the heels" of highly selected arguments.

The present instance is one such case. King thought that he caught me in an embarrassing mistake and sought to make hay of it on Svendsen's almost extinct (partially fossilized) Areopagus forum.


Once in a while I take up these silly little disputes about minutiae, to illustrate how poorly these guys argue, and to show that their grasp of logic is too often woefully lacking. I'm being accused (as always) of botching or dishonestly presenting facts. Since it is untrue, and King doesn't get it, I have every right to blow it out of the water as yet another miscomprehension or (to put it a bit more cynically) distortion of my argument and opinion.

To briefly summarize, Doe was giving me misery because I cited Luther statements from a secondary source (historian Will Durant). He questioned them because they were different from the "standard" citations now included in the 55-volume edition of Luther's Works in English. Since I was writing about Chemnitz's shortcoming in an area where Doe has accused me, I thought it was relevant to note Doe's own approval of Chemnitz, and so I cited a guest post on his blog praising Chemnitz, and his own citation of King and Webster's research, that mentioned Chemnitz with regard to a St. Ambrose citation. The passage under present consideration (my own) is short. Here it is:
Doe (on 30 July 2007) also cited Chemnitz (drawing from the anti-Catholic work of David King and William Webster) from the Examen, Vol. I, p. 167, regarding a St. Ambrose quote (the very book I am now reading). Ironically, however, the citation he gives in his post does not match the one found in Chemnitz (translated by Kramer). As we saw above, he gave me much flak for the exact same thing: different translations of the same utterance. Using his own reasoning, then, that he polemically utilizes against me (that I cited above), let us have a bit of tweaking fun and modify his words to reflect his own use of the dreaded, nefarious tactics that he excoriates in my apologetics:
After searching the entire page, I could not find this quote . . . This is not the place to quibble over whatever point Doe was trying to make. I offer this example merely to show that Mr. Doe [and Mr. King and Mr. Webster] complicates the task of any who checks his [their] St. Ambrose references.
The humor "works" only for those acquainted with Doe's past relentless accusations against my research. Granted, not many readers would even know or care about that, but in the end that is beside the point. I know exactly what I was driving at in my humorous analogies and Doe surely did, too (whether he would admit it or not). Of course (and King seems to miss this as well), I was spoofing Doe's own words, see further above in my post (emphases his own):
After searching the entire treatise, I could not find this quote. . . . This is not the place to quibble over whatever point Armstrong was trying to make. I offer this example merely to show that Mr. Armstrong complicates the task of any who checks his Luther references.
But Pastor King clearly does not understand the turn-the-tables comparison I made, and hence he goes on to make his usual groundless accusations (with Doe's expected fawning approval, since he loves anything, no matter how ridiculous, that is critical of yours truly). I shall now proceed to take apart his hit piece point-by-point and show exactly how it holds no weight whatsoever. His words will be in blue.

The misinformation of Dave Armstrong

I usually ignore Mr. Armstrong, because his points are often so convoluted, it's not worth the time to respond to him.

Translation: "I usually can't answer Mr. Armstrong's arguments and in fact can't even comprehend many of them [since our theological paradigms are so vastly different], and so I pretend that the fault lies in his convoluted reasoning rather than my inability to cogently reply, and ignore his arguments, since I don't have time to be refuted."

I want to give a classic illustration below.

It sure is classic, but not in the way King thinks . . .

On his blog or web site, he wrote the following, charging that I have misquoted Martin Chemnitz...

I did no such thing. No one (including King) can prove that I did so. It is absolutely untrue. This was a semi-humorous turn-the-tables argument, using Doe's own faulty methodology in argument against him (a form of the time-honored reductio ad absurdum argument, that I love to use, especially when falsely accused, as here, and clearly indicated by my preface: "Using his own reasoning, then . . . let us have a bit of tweaking fun and modify his words").

My argument, rightly understood, did not entail accusing either King or Doe of misquoting anyone. That was not the point, which was, rather, Doe's silly, unnecessary hyper-skepticism regarding any secondary sources that give Luther's words. I merely noted the irony of Doe making a cross-reference to Chemnitz, where that reference was different from the one cited (from William Goode). Hence I wrote: "he gave me much flak for the exact same thing: different translations of the same utterance."

None of this carried the slightest implication that either Doe or King made a misquotation or inaccurate citation. I didn't believe that when I wrote and do not now (and would gladly swear on a stack of KJV and NASB Bibles that this is God's honest truth about my own opinion on the matter). But somehow King in his superior wisdom thinks he sees what ain't there.
Context, context, context! Understanding (from all appearances, anyway) neither the form of humor nor the argument nor the analogy in play, nor the background, King gets it 180 degrees wrong and makes a fool of himself once again, in trying to make a fool of me. Poetic justice? It's like the proverbial guy preparing a pit for his enemy, who falls in it himself.

King then provides my words that I cited above, adding my next paragraph unrelated to this controversy, and goes on:

[Doe] was never attempting to cite the translation of Ambrose as found in the work by Chemnitz.
I never stated that he was trying to do so, so this is utterly irrelevant (downright quixotic, I would say).

Mr. Armstrong has missed the point altogether.

Nope; I'm afraid that Pastor King is the one who is in the dark, for the reasons given above. I've always maintained that strong biases and hostilities adversely affect one's logic and reading comprehension.

Here's what appeared on [John Q. Doe's] blog [source], from which Mr. Armstrong claims I miscited Chemnitz's translation of Ambrose...

As already stated, I never made such a claim, or even insinuated it, not even in the midst of my humor. If King disagrees, let him produce proof that I did so. What I did was state the following, as part of the tweaking, tongue-in-cheek reductio:
Mr. Doe [and Mr. King and Mr. Webster] complicates the task of any who checks his [their] St. Ambrose references.
The point was not that Ambrose was miscited, but (following up on Doe's accusations of myself and using his reasoning in the course of my reductio) that multiple translations were utilized. Doe objected to that in my writing, and so I was humorously tweaking him for, in effect, doing the same thing. I never claimed that King was citing Chemnitz at all. He obviously wasn't. And for him to claim that I am doing so is a lie, pure and simple (if someone doesn't like the word lie, just substitute falsehood or untruth).
Ambrose (c. 339-97):

"In most places Paul so explains his meaning by his own words, that he who discourses on them can find nothing to add of his own; and if he wishes to say anything, must rather perform the office of a grammarian than a discourser."

Source: See William Goode, The Divine Rule of Faith and Practice, 2nd ed., (London: John Henry Jackson, 1853), Vol. 3, p. 262, Chemnitz, Examination of the Council of Trent, Part 1, p. 167, and Whitaker, pp. 398, 492, who all render plerisque as “most.

Latin text: In plerisque ita se ipse suis exponat sermonibus, ut is qui tractat, nihil inveniat quod adjiciat suum; ac si velit aliquid dicere, grammatici magis quam disputatoris fungatur munere. Epistola XXXVII.1, PL 16:1084. The translation found in FC, Vol. 26, Saint Ambrose: Letters 54. Ambrose to Simplicianus (New York: Fathers of the Church, Inc., 1954), p. 286, has mistranslated this word plerisque to read “in some instances” rather than the correct translation of “most places.”

For an excellent compilation of quotes of the Church fathers teaching on the primacy, sufficiency and ultimate authority of Scripture, get a copy of Holy Scripture:The Ground and Pillar of Our Faith Vol III- The Writings of the Church Fathers Affirming the Reformation Principle of Sola Scriptura.

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Now then, the quote of Ambrose on Mr. [Doe]'s blog is a translation of Ambrose from William Goode.

Of course. No one (least of all, myself) ever implied otherwise.

I never claimed to be offering a full text of Chemnitz's translation of Ambrose there.

Nor did I ever claim that he was doing so.

I was simply making the point, as I did in the quote provided by [John Q. Doe] from Holy Scripture, the Ground and Pillar of Our Faith, Vol. 3, p. 246, that William Goode, Martin Chemnitz (as translated by Kramer), and Whitaker all point out that the Latin word "plerisque" that Ambrose used in reference to Paul's writings should be translated as "most," unlike the translation found in Fathers of the Church, Vol. 26, Saint Ambrose: Letters 54. Ambrose to Simplicianus (New York: Fathers of the Church, Inc., 1954), p. 286, which mistranslated this word plerisque to read “in some instances” rather than the correct translation of “most places.”

Yes, of course. But all of that was beside the point of my satirical analogy. It's irrelevant. I never denied it, and it formed no part of my argument.

But the point was utterly lost on Mr. Amstrong, who in his eagerness to speak ill of our work, has passed on a falsehood about our work.

Nothing could be more incorrect. Pastor King has been lying about me throughout his post. He can't get one single fact right (beyond my name) where I am concerned. But it is almost certain that he will never apologize or retract anything (mark my words). That would put him out and cause some sort of mental breakdown, for him ever to apologize to a Pelagian, pagan, unregenerate, totally depraved Catholic, whom he had plainly, clearly misrepresented. I guess he would go into some sort of emotional crisis . . .

The translation of Ambrose on [John Q. Doe]'s blog is from William Goode, and the point was that Chemnitz and Whitaker both make the same point about this same passage from Ambrose, which is found in Martin Chemnitz, An Examination of the Council of Trent, Part 1, trans. Fred Kramer (St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1971), p. 167. We have not misled people, but that is precisely what Mr. Armstrong, in his own inept way, has managed to do.

The only person or thing "misled" here is King's reasoning . . .

When this kind of lunacy passes for Roman apologetics, one can realize why folks like myself rarely deal with such people. It requires such an enormous amount of effort, just to show how one point (and they do this so often) is so ludicrous, that one makes the judgment that such people are not worth one's time.

My thoughts exactly, if you change the word "Roman" to "anti-Catholic" or "David King's". The illustrious pastor then posts the Chemnitz translation of St. Ambrose (which is irrelevant to anything I argued), and concludes:

I suppose that in order to satisfy Mr. Armstrong, I should have posted each of the three translations offered by Goode, Kramer's translation of Chemnitz's translation of Ambrose, and Whitaker. The reason it was so difficult for Armstrong is because he was the one attempting to do the research. Not everyone shares his ineptness.

I shall (as I always do) let the reader decide exactly whom is the inept one here. I have explained myself in minute detail. King has less than no excuse to keep up the accusation. But in all likelihood he will. I find it very sad. Heaven help us if even pastors can lie with such irrational and groundless impunity about other fellow Christians, and no one will take them to task for it (so that I have to do so myself). I find that very sad. Telling the truth and not lying about and falsely judging and accusing others without cause is something, I think, that all Christians can agree upon, despite our many internal disagreements.

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James White (right) working his legendary debate tactics, in his stint as a game show host, way back in 1981.

James White has chimed in, in his usual juvenile, substanceless fashion. It seems lately that any opposing argument, for him (at least when I make them) amounts to one of two things: "stalking" or a "meltdown." In the present instance, he has chosen the latter to describe what most normal, unassuming folks would call simply an "argument" or a "response" or (in this case) a "self-defense" against groundless charges:
Speaking of incoherent vitriol...Dave Armstrong has returned to blogging. I just happened to see a new article on his site. I truly think Armstrong is headed for a full-on meltdown soon, to be honest. The level of "shrill" is peaking. In any case, the article started, "David T. King: anti-Catholic Reformed Baptist pastor...." Poor Dave. He can't even start an article with accuracy. It is well known that David King is a Presbyterian minister, not a Reformed Baptist. Now, that is not for my not trying! We'd love to have David...but alas, my brother remains, as Bill Shishko, a Presbyterian. Anyone reading the response brother David wrote to Armstrong will once again see that Armstrong is helpless when it comes to being refuted. All he can do is throw a fit and grow more shrill, which is why I have a feeling we may see a complete melt-down (again--how many has DA exhibited over the years?) in the not too distant future.
ROFL! Just for fun, I thought I'd do some research to see how often he has used this term to describe myself and others. It's a bit like the liberal news media getting their talking points and all sounding like clones of each other when describing some conservative or Christian or pro-life idea or person. The anti-Catholic world is similar in that respect: they habitually utilize these stupid obscurantist tactics -- anything but actually dealing with a reasonable argument (heaven forbid!!!) -- and repeat words and phrases, in classic propagandist fashion. And so I am a "stalker" who undergoes multiple "meltdowns." Here is the Merriam-Webster online Dictionary's definition:
Main Entry: melt·down

Pronunciation: 'melt-"daun
Function: noun

1
: the accidental melting of the core of a nuclear reactor
2 : a rapid or disastrous decline or collapse
3 : a breakdown of self-control (as from fatigue or overstimulation)
Yep, that's me! Always on the verge of collapse! LOL How much these anti-Catholic clowns hope and pray and dream and wish that were the case . . . If I don't deal with their arguments (real or imagined) then, of course, I am a coward and a chicken. If I do, I am a stalker and/or having a meltdown. See how it works? Here are other instances of White using this phrase to describe myself and others:

The "Stalker": Dave Armstrong

But I never dreamed that a total and complete melt-down would take place, resulting in Mr. Armstrong pulling the material off his blog and going into hiding! And yet, you can read for yourself. We are asked to believe this was a "long time coming," etc., but let's face it: DA isn't up to defending his published works. (1-3-05)

If my material is so poor, why not respond to it? Instead, all I am reading (and the comments keep piling up) is about how persecuted Dave is. To call this a "melt-down" is to engage in understatement to an absurd degree. (1-14-05)

Same fellow who melted down into a puddle of apologetic goo when I finally invested the time to start working through his book,
The Catholic Verses, . . . (4-5-05)

His response? Well, a bit like putting a wax candle on your dashboard in Phoenix today: total melt-down. Complete capitulation. "I won't talk to anti-Catholics anymore!" Well, I knew that was all just a cover to allow him to hide long enough for the storm to pass, and that he'd be back. Guess what? Yeah, no big surprise. [John Q. Doe] informs me ol' Dave is strutting about the Internet once again, sporting an ego the size of Mount Rushmore. This is the same Dave Armstrong who will not debate in person; the same one who melted into a puddle of goo when challenged in writing to defend his own published "exegesis." (7-14-06)

. . . he melted down and once again swore to have nothing to do with "us." . . . Armstrong had a standing challenge for years to debate, but after his melt-down when I took his exegesis apart a few years ago . . . (7-12-07)

Other Honorary Meltees

AAPCism and NPism Continue to Melt Together (11-20-03)

Everyone step back, the meltdown [of Paul Owen] could be messy, sorta like in the Matrix . . . (6-15-04)

Phil Johnson of the Spurgeon Archive and Grace To You has verified the complete melt-down at Discerning Reader. (12-1-04)

The Melt Down of the Berean Call (12-17-04)

. . . utter melt-down that appeared in the pages of The Berean Call today. (2-2-05)

The Rutland/Sippo Meltdown Continues (6-13-05)

So, the first half hour was all about the Sippo/Rutland melt-down, . . . (6-14-05)

John6jmj's Weekend MeltDown (6-25-05)

Jonathan Prejean's utter melt-down in the use of double-standards, and his obvious emotionalism in the face of calm refutation of his false accusations, is a thing to behold. (7-2-05)

Utter irrationality, total nonsense, complete melt-down on any level at all. Now, given how horrific Flemming's film is, we really shouldn't be overly surprised, but it is still an amazing thing to observe. (5-10-06)

. . .
Sippo's melt-down last year, . . . (8-9-06)

. . . Jerry-Jet continues to melt down . . . (8-9-06)

. . .
the melt down at the Catholic Answers forums . . . (9-18-06)

And that is all RyanL could come up with. Not a single one was even slightly relevant. The melt down continues.... (9-19-06)

The Miki Melt-Down
(9-19-06)

A full melt-down is underway with this person, who now says she (yes, she) only the Dries name as a cover on the Puritan Board. (10-3-06)

The past five days have set new all-time records for vitriolic nastiness, at least on the part of those devoted to Rome, anyway. I suppose there have been brief periods of similar nastiness from other groups, maybe for a day or so, but surely nothing to compare to the utter melt down of hypocrisy that can be documented this day in numerous venues. (8-11-07)

Critique of Martin Chemnitz' Examination of Trent: Scripture I (Poisoning the Well as to the Catholic Rule of Faith & Veneration of Holy Scripture)

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This is the second installment of what is to be a lengthy series of replies to 16th century prominent Lutheran theologian Martin Chemnitz' Examination of the Council of Trent, Part I (St. Louis: Concordia Pub. House, 1971; translated by Fred Kramer). See the first:

Martin Chemnitz is "The Man" for Lutherans; It's Time to Address His Arguments Directly

As of writing, I have read the first one hundred pages. At this point, Chemnitz has not yet dealt with a single word of the Tridentine decrees. As I see it, he is thus far engaged (consciously or not) in a huge effort of what is known in logic as "poisoning the well." The reader of the Examen, Part I, is already (unfortunately) well used to, by now, almost ubiquitous potshots and digs at Catholicism and Catholics, per the usual Lutheran invective of the time period (unfortunately reflected in the confessional Book of Concord).

I've always been struck and saddened by the mentality often seen in early Protestants (and, to be fair, also 16th century Catholics) and those today (again, on both sides) who want to continue the ill will and mutual distrust and hostility between Catholics and Protestants, of attributing only the lowest and basest motivations to theological opponents.

As I have long argued, when it comes to Protestants and their consideration of Catholicism, they come to the table already burdened by foundational presuppositions that will only allow them to grant very little of any worth to their Catholic opponents (or "enemies" as the case may be). They need not necessarily be emotionally or personally hostile at all (though often we find that they are). It is simply part and parcel of what it means to be a Protestant (as that affiliation was initially understood in its origins). To be a Protestant was to inevitably be vehemently opposed to the Catholic Church, by definition.

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Now, theologically, and in terms of the usual competition of ideas and worldviews and ultimate commitments, this is altogether understandable. Folks can and do have honest disagreements concerning deeply held, highly important religious and theological beliefs. But what is so tragic in all this, is that the disagreements so often cannot be held without caricaturing and running down both opposing beliefs and motivations in holding them. Charity, benefit of the doubt, routine attribution of good will in our opponents quickly goes out the window.

With Protestants and sola Scriptura, and the overall relationship of Bible, Church, and Tradition, this is very much the case. It seems that many (most?) of the Protestants who are intent on passionately defending sola Scriptura literally cannot comprehend any other viewpoint of the vexed issue of Bible, Church, and Tradition, other than their own. They are truly fish in water, or (to use a wonderful C.S. Lewis analogy), flatlanders unable to comprehend a three dimensional world.

They simply cannot fathom how a person could reject sola Scriptura and yet still be "for" Scripture, or love the Bible, or not be opposed to it; indeed, to venerate it (as Catholics surely do). To reject sola Scriptura (just one approach to Scripture, and one that is -- as I have argued endlessly -- itself unbiblical, unhistorical, unreasonable, and quite difficult to even carry through in practice) IS to reject Scripture itself, in this mindset. The two are one and the same. Period. End of sentence; end of discussion. There can be no other opinion on the issue that is permissible or even thinkable.

But why does that have to be the case? I have never felt the slightest need to run down Protestants' love of Scripture. As a former Protestant myself, I know that they love it, with a great and deep passion and commitment and devotion. But one doesn't have to have first hand experience in another camp in order to grant them their sincerity and take them at their word. Why can't so many Protestants figure out that Catholics also deeply love Scripture, even if they (gasp!!!!) also take a high view of Tradition and Church authority (notions also firmly grounded in the Bible itself) that the Protestant disagrees with and finds distasteful and "unbiblical"?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that one can love two things at once. It's not a zero sum game, where if one cup is filled, a second one must lose the same quantity of liquid that the first gains. Scripture and Tradition are not like a teeter-totter, where when one gains in elevation, the other necessarily decreases in equal measure. I should think that this is rather obvious, but it is not, for millions of Protestants who are taught to think one way, and one way only, and who cannot understand any other "equation" and cannot help but attribute nefarious motives and essences to these other views, as if they were evil and wicked through and through.

Wholly apart from the rather complex issue itself, it is not necessary at all that a person must "hate" Holy Scripture to the extent that he speaks highly of Tradition. This is the oft-seen "either/or" dichotomous mindset of classical Protestantism, that I and many Catholic apologists have often noted.

But the truly relevant issue that comes into play at this juncture is the Church Fathers' view of the matter. At length it can and will be rather easily demonstrated in the course of this ongoing critique, that the Fathers' perspective and consensus is far more analogous to the Catholic view than it is to the 16th century Protestant novelty / innovation of sola Scriptura. I've already proven this myself, over and over (as far as I am concerned), in many previous papers on this very topic of patristic notions of the rule of faith and Christian authority.

Chemnitz' (and modern-day Lutherans') dilemma and conundrum, then, will be to deal somehow with the fact that the Fathers simply do not accept their view of sola Scriptura. In fact, so far are they from adopting it, that (as several Protestant historians have stated) it would have been incomprehensible to them; a useless, meaningless dichotomy: to pit Scripture against Tradition and/or the Church. It would have never crossed their mind to think in such a fashion. So say eminent Protestant historians (not just I and other Catholics). Here are two striking examples:
    As regards the pre-Augustinian Church, there is in our time a striking convergence of scholarly opinion that Scripture and Tradition are for the early Church in no sense mutually exclusive: kerygma, Scripture and Tradition coincide entirely. The Church preaches the kerygma which is to be found in toto in written form in the canonical books.

    The Tradition is not understood as an addition to the kerygma contained in Scripture but as the handing down of that same kerygma in living form: in other words everything is to be found in Scripture and at the same time everything is in the living Tradition.

    It is in the living, visible Body of Christ, inspired and vivified by the operation of the Holy Spirit, that Scripture and Tradition coinhere . . . Both Scripture and Tradition issue from the same source: the Word of God, Revelation . . . Only within the Church can this kerygma be handed down undefiled . . .

( [Lutheran] Heiko Oberman, The Harvest of Medieval Theology, Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, revised edition of 1967, 366-367)


It should be unnecessary to accumulate further evidence. Throughout the whole period Scripture and tradition ranked as complementary authorities, media different in form but coincident in content. To inquire which counted as superior or more ultimate is to pose the question in misleading terms. If Scripture was abundantly sufficient in principle, tradition was recognized as the surest clue to its interpretation, for in
tradition the Church retained, as a legacy from the apostles which was embedded in all the organs of her institutional life, an unerring grasp of the real purport and meaning of the revelation to which Scripture and tradition alike bore witness.

( [Anglican] J.N.D. Kelly, Early Christian Doctrines, San Francisco: Harper & Row, 1978 edition, 47-48)

Therein will lie the problem that Chemnitz and Lutherans today have to overcome. I shall argue in due course that it is insurmountable for them. Their position in this regard and others ultimately will be shown to be self-defeating. The Fathers believed as Catholics do today, regarding this question of Scripture and Tradition. But in the Lutheran schema and self-perception, this simply cannot be. They must establish that the Fathers are on their side, by the very fact that they claimed (and claim) to be a reform; that is, a return to the way of the ancient Church, rather than an overthrowing of those early Christian beliefs. This is part and parcel of Protestant and Lutheran identity. Hence, translator Fred Kramer wrote in the Biographical Sketch of Chemnitz (my italics):
He believed that there was a consensus in doctrine within the ancient church, though he was not unaware of the aberrations which had occurred in every period of the church. He believed that Luther and the adherents of the Augsburg Confession had returned to this consensus in their theology, and he labored ceaselessly both as churchman and theologian to keep the church with this consensus.

(pp. 23-24)
So what happens (for the historically-minded Protestant) when this cannot be shown, and indeed, where the contrary can be proven? I don't know. In my own experience in debating Lutherans on these very questions (many such debates can be found on my site), they simply split and cease the discussion after it was shown that the patristics don't line up on their side (where their views conflict with Catholics) . The historical reality clashed with their dogmatic necessities as Lutherans: i.e., always supposedly being the legatees of the Fathers, over against the corrupt, innovative Catholics. History conflicts with dogma, when it is not supposed to, according to what might be called the "Lutheran Myth of Early Church History and Supposed Lutheran Continuity With It."

For Chemnitz and those who follow his views, then (traditional, confessional Lutheranism), the huge difficulty is the impossibility of the following two statements existing together:
1) Catholics have an incorrect, objectionable view of Scripture insofar as they elevate Tradition and Church Authority higher in the scheme of things than they ought to.

2) Church Fathers take a correct, "Protestant" view of Scripture even though they, too (very much like Catholics then and now), elevate Tradition and Church Authority higher in the scheme of things than they ought to.
If #1 is true, #2 cannot also be true (in its first clause, granting the second clause). It is ultimately a dispute of historical fact. We say that if the Catholic view is rejected, then the Fathers must necessarily go down with it, because the two are essentially the same. The Protestant (apologist, polemicist, partisan advocate; pick your term) arguing this case denies that the Fathers take these views in the first place. One can only determine the outcome by recourse to particular historical discussion on what the Fathers actually believed.

If the Fathers indeed turn out to be far more like Catholics, then what becomes of the Lutheran "Myth" that Lutheranism (on this issue of Scripture and Tradition) is truly the "patristic" view, brought back and "reformed" and that the lowly, despised Catholics have supposedly forsaken same? Well, it falls flat. And to refute Lutheranism in the historical sense just described is simply an exercise of accumulating instances such as these, where the Fathers can be shown to be in accord with Catholic understanding, over against Lutheran. How many "dominoes" must fall before the entire "wall" collapses? Each person must determine this for himself or herself.

I've already engaged at great length in such historical discussion (and have never yet been disappointed in or troubled by the outcome), and am prepared to do much more of the same argumentation, over against Martin Chemnitz' claims to the contrary. He can be as brilliant as he can be, but if in fact he is fighting against fact and truth, his arguments will be found wanting. I hope some of my Lutheran friends will take up the challenge and try to overthrow my historical argumentation. It's tough to fight an uphill, losing battle; a lost cause. But I admire those who will at least try to do so, in defense of their own cherished and sincere (though greatly mistaken) beliefs.

But I am already ahead of myself. I've offered a little sneak preview of what I see as the important, key issues in the debate, and how it can and must proceed. In any event, Chemnitz, in his first 100 pages (minus some introductory material from the editor / translator), has scarcely begun making this argument. He has cited some Fathers (notably St. Irenaeus) praising Scripture and venerating it as the standard of doctrine. Since that never has been in dispute, it is irrelevant to relative Lutheran and Catholic claims. No one denies it. Therefore, I need not deal with those statements for my present purpose.

Rather, at this early juncture, I would like to document how Chemnitz (much like Luther and Calvin, but with far less vehemence and polemics) seems to almost deliberately poison the well, and to cast aspersions upon his opponents. Catholics must despise and hate Scripture, to believe as they do, so reasons Chemnitz. Perhaps some of his human opponents at the time did (though I highly doubt it). Chemnitz has provided little or no documentary proof that this is so, and it is his burden to do so, since he keeps making the claims. The following is about the most he will grant to Catholic good intentions and faith and sincerity, and even it is a left-handed compliment (Chemnitz's words will be in blue henceforth):

The method of debate on the part of the papalists is far different now than it was at the time of Eck, Emser, and others like them. These men did not refuse to fight with us with the weapons of the Scripture. Pighius, however, has perceived that this arrangement has done the papal kingdom more harm than good. (p. 71)

Apart from that (thus far) isolated utterance, almost invariably when he refers to Catholic views of Scripture, it is in an insulting sense:

Catholic Doctrine is Intrinsically Unbiblical and Anti-Biblical

. . . infinite license to invent and decree what they pleased outside of, beside, and against the Word of God. (p. 32)

[T]he papalists have in their church many, yes, mostly such things which they can in no way prove, establish, and defend with testimonies and proofs from the canonical Scripture. Therefore, they seek other proofs outside of and beyond the Scripture, in order that, when they are pressed and attacked with testimonies from Scripture, they may not be compelled to yield to the truth but may have other aids ready for use, a refuge, as it were, to which they may turn.

These many and varied defenses outside of, beyond, yes, against, the Scripture they have placed and drawn up in convenient places in such a way that they clearly indicate that they have come together not with ther intention of correcting anything according to the norm of Scripture, but that they may by other aids retain, defend, and impose upon the church all kinds of errors and abuses, which have so far been pointed out, reproved, and refuted from the Word of God. (p. 40)

. . . people who flee the light of Scriptures. This title fits no kind of men better than the assembly at Trent. (p. 41)

. . . those things which cannot be defended from the Scripture (and these make for the greater part of the papal kingdom) . . . (p. 71)

Catholics Willfully Abuse and Hate Holy Scripture

. . . abusive words of individual papalists against Holy Scripture . . . (p. 46)

I know quite well why they like to bypass the mention of the use and authority of the Old Testament Scriptures. They sense that by that mere mention all their arguments which they heap up against the Scripture of the New Testament are overthrown and destroyed. (p. 62)

. . . identical with the weapons employed by Jewish treachery against the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God in the Scripture. (p. 64)

. . . the words of the Scripture are to be bent to agree with the unwritten traditions . . . (p. 65)

We do not concede to the papalists that they may with impunity mock the church with their arbitrary interpretations outside of and against the words of the text. (p. 73)

. . . that meaning which the papalists invent against the Scripture. (p. 77)

Sacred, Apostolic (Catholic) Tradition is Inherently Opposed to Scripture

. . . traditions which are either patched on the Scripture on the plea that it is incomplete, or set up in opposition to it on the plea that it is ambiguous and obscure. (p. 63)

. . . those things outside of Scripture which were current under the name of traditions should be accepted and esteemed with equal reverence and pious affection, even though they did not agree with the Scripture or were even in opposition to it. (p. 65)

. . . they, too, pretend that also the observance of the unwritten traditions is necessary according to the Scripture of the New Testament. (p. 66)

. . . so great is the similarity that there can be no doubt that both the fictions of the Talmudists and of the papalists concerning traditions have one and the same architect and maker, namely, him who sows and mixes tares with good seed. (p. 67)

[whereas, Chemnitz, of course, like quasi-prophet Martin Luther before him, has a far more sublime assurance: "I am convinced that the materials of my answer have been offered and shown to me by God" -- p. 29]

Here I only wanted to show the great affinity and similarity between the Talmudists and the papists when they dispute concerning the unwritten traditions outside and beyond Scripture. The very same spirit, which under the veil of traditions has set snares for the Old Testament, tries also in the New Testament to foist on the church under the name of tradition things that cannot be proved by the Scripture, and he employs the same trick so consistently on both sides that it is easy to recognize one and the same author. (p. 69)

. . . now in whole books they do almost nothing but dispute against the Scripture in behalf of the unwritten traditions. Into this fortress also the Council of Trent places all its resources and therefore its very salvation. (p. 71)

. . . their newly-invented traditions against the Scripture. (p. 75)

. . . they are about to fight against the Scripture of the New Testament in behalf of their traditions. (p. 76)

Catholics are Invariably Sophistical, Conniving "Tricksters"

. . . with what trickery the [Tridentine] degrees [should be decrees, I think] were fabricated . . . (p. 30)

. . . examples of the tricks of the papalists. (p. 96)

. . . Tridentine cunning . . . extreme impudence. (p. 97)


The Pope is Antichrist and a God-like Figure


A certain other man, in his prayer criminally distorting the words of the Gospel which befit only the Son of God, applied them to the pope and exclaimed: "The pope came into the world, a light," so that there was no doubt that at the very beginning of the Synod of Trent that was fulfilled which Paul prophesied 2 Thess. 2:3-4, that "the man of sin and the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God . . ., sits in the temple of God, proclaiming himself as if he were God." From these beginnings one can judge what progress and outcome may be expected. (p. 34)

Now, I freely confess that I know next to nothing about Jacob Payva de Andrada: Chemnitz's most direct opponent in his treatise, or Pighius, or some other Catholics whom he mentions. Were they all avowed enemies of Scripture? I can't say that I know one way or the other; hence I plead ignorance. But I highly suspect that Chemnitz is presenting a self-serving, cynical picture of the situation, since this was standard practice in 16th century polemics on both sides.

But let's assume for a moment that Chemnitz is right about them. Does this prove that the Catholic Church is hostile to Scripture? Not at all. These men may have had deficient views themselves; they may have not accurately represented the Church's view; they may have suffered from various methodological defects, leading to a wrong impression perceived by their opponents, they may have suffered from a defect characteristic of that particular age, etc. Any number of things may be the case. Do they represent all Catholic thought on the matter (again, assuming for the sake of argument that their strong critic Chemnitz accurately presents their viewpoint)?

No. For example, I submit the work St. Francis de Sales, not too long after this period (1596), from his classic treatise, The Catholic Controversy. The great saint and Doctor of the Church and Catholic apologist devotes some 55 pages to Scripture itself, followed by about 95 in defense of Catholic positions on the Church and Tradition. Did he, too, "hate" Holy Scripture? I am fully content to let readers judge for themselves if they can locate such animus in the following words (version published by TAN Books [Rockford, IL], 1989, translated by Henry Benedict Mackey):
The Christian faith is grounded on the Word of God. This is what places it in the sovereign degree of certainty, as having the warrant of that eternal and infallible truth. Faith which rests on anything else is not Christian. Therefore, the Word of God is the true rule of right-believing, as ground and rule are in this case one and the same thing. (p. 83)

. . . the sole and true rule of right-believing is the Word of God preached by the Church of God. (p. 87)

Holy Scripture is in such sort the rule of the Christian faith that we are obliged by every kind of obligation to believe most exactly all that it contains, and not to believe anything which may be ever so little contrary to it: for if Our Lord himself has sent the Jews to it to strengthen their faith, it must be a safe standard. The Sadducees erred because they did not understand the Scriptures . . . (p. 88)
The great Doctor later writes, in his usual delightful fashion, in defense of Tradition, stating, among many other arguments:
. . . you will see almost all your ministers . . . making mighty harangues to show that human tradition is not to be put in comparison with the Scriptures. But of what use is all this save to beguile the poor hearers? -- for we never said it was [he thus reveals this to be the mere pointless straw man tactic that it is; he then notes the common Protestant recourse to alleged "proof text" for sola Scriptura: 2 Timothy 3:16-17] . . . Whom are they angry with? This is to force a quarrel. Who denies the most excellent profitableness of the Scriptures, except the Huguenots who take away as good for nothing some of its finest pieces? The Scriptures are indeed most useful, and it is no little favour which God has done us to preserve them for us through so many persecutions; but the utility of Scripture does not make holy Traditions useless, any more than the use of one eye, of one leg, of one ear, of one hand, makes the other useless. (pp. 143-144)

And if you closely consider how the Council compares Traditions with the Scriptures you will see that it does not receive a Tradition contrary to Scripture: for it receives Tradition and Scripture with equal honour, because both the one and the other are most sweet and pure streams, which spring from one same mouth of our Lord, as from a living fountain of wisdom, and therefore, cannot be contrary, but are of the same taste and quality; and uniting together happily water this tree of Christianity which shall give its fruit in due season. (p. 145)

If we are to add nothing to what our Lord has commanded, -- where has he commanded that we should condemn Apostolic Traditions? Why do you add this to his words? Where has our Lord ever taught it? . . . Is it not the Holy Scripture of St. Paul which says: "Therefore, brethren, hold fast the Traditions which you have received, whether by word or by our epistle"? (2 Thess. 2:14). "Hence it is evident that the Apostles did not deliver everything by Epistle, but many things also without letters. They are, however, worthy of the same faith, these as much as those," are the words of S. Chrysostom in his commentary on this place. (p. 147)
So Martin Chemnitz or his modern admirers want to confront Catholics with Andrada or Pighius and their alleged low, hostile views of Sacred Scripture? We reply with St. Francis de Sales, a Doctor of the Church; therefore of very high authority as a spokesman for same. And we can also assuredly counter with Trent's own words, once we start discussing that. But picking out a few men and claiming that they speak for the entire Church, or represent the sum total and part and parcel of her teachings (and that is assuming that they suffer from the deficiencies alleged, in the first place), is a ludicrous methodology.

Chemnitz and his more articulate modern disciples of Lutheran confessionalism ought to know that, and hence, concede this point: that Catholics (at least the eminent, devoted ones) love Holy Scripture and regard it as a theological standard and seek to conform their beliefs to it just as much as any Protestant ever has. I'm all for a complete, vigorous discussion of the vexed, frequently misunderstood issue of the relationship of Bible and Tradition, but can we not cease with the stupid personal or sweeping insults and questioning of each others' love for the written Word of God, the Bible? That would be nice, wouldn't it?

Friday, August 24, 2007

Two More Books Now In Paperback (Orthodoxy / General Apologetics)

Cover design (for both books and all my Lulu books) by Chad Toney

Intended as "general Christian reading" -- no Catholic distinctives presented



Purchase: paperback ($16.95) or PDF E-book ($3.00)

Table of Contents
[chapters 6, 7, and 10 are hyper-linked and can be read online. Some differences exist in the final book edit]

Dedication
Introduction

Chapter One: Why Believe in Christianity?
Chapter Two: Why Believe the Bible?: Archaeological, Prophetic, and Manuscript Evidences
Chapter Three: An Introduction to Bible Interpretation
Chapter Four: The Biblical Basis for Apologetics, or Defense of the Christian Faith
Chapter Five: Miracles, Skepticism, and the Historicity and Believability of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ
Chapter Six: Jesus is God: Biblical Proofs
Chapter Seven: The Holy Trinity: Biblical Proofs
Chapter Eight: God, Morality, Free Will, and Reason
Chapter Nine: The Biblical Evidence for an Eternal Hell
Chapter Ten: Reasons for Suffering and Encouragement and Hope in the Midst of It: A Biblical Compendium

Appendix One: An Unpublished Essay on the Trinity (Jonathan Edwards)
Appendix Two: The Strangest Story in the World (G.K. Chesterton)
Appendix Three: Sermon: On Divine Providence (John Wesley)
Appendix Four: The General Resurrection and Heaven (Charles Hodge)

Recommended Books: Christian Apologetics & Philosophy
[285 books listed, under 20 categories; perhaps the most extensive and up-to-date general Christian apologetics bibliography anywhere]



Purchase: paperback ($16.95) or PDF E-book ($3.00)

Table of Contents
[Chapter One is hyper-linked and can be read online; there may be some variation from the book version]

Dedication
Introduction

I The Basic Differences Summarized (p. 4)
II A Response to Orthodox Critiques of Catholic Ecclesiological Preeminence (p. 9)
III Theological Opinions on the Papacy Prior to 1054 in Both Eastern and Western Christianity (p. 42)
IV Reflections on the Sack of Constantinople in 1204 and Lesser-Known Byzantine Atrocities (p. 77)
V The Tendency Towards Caesaropapism in the Byzantine Empire and Eastern Orthodoxy (p. 87)
VI Development of Doctrine in Orthodoxy and Catholicism: Different in Essence? (p. 110)
VII Do St. Anselm, St. Thomas Aquinas, and Other Catholic Thinkers Adopt an Unbiblical "Rationalism" Leading to a "Remote" or "Impersonal" God? (p. 116)
VIII Orthodoxy, Apologetics, and Ecumenism (p. 138)
IX Is Orthodoxy Immune From Dissent, Modernism, and Scandal? (p. 145)
X Orthodox Compromise on Divorce (p. 151)
XI Orthodox Sanctioning of Contraception (p. 173)

Appendix One St. Leo the Great on the Office of the Papacy (p. 182)
Appendix Two Orthodox Anti-Catholicism (p. 196)
Appendix Three The Filioque and the Eastern Church Fathers (p. 207)

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Both books are also available (as they have been for some time) as part of the eleven-book package deal in either PDF or Word 2000, now able to be personally downloaded immediately after payment of $15 (see top of the blog for ordering links).

In all likelihood, shortly I will get my last remaining (two) books of 14 completed ones, into paperback, on Lulu. Many thanks again to my friend and excellent cover artist, Chad Toney, who also made me aware of Payloadz, that enabled me to offer immediately downloadable e-books. Many other possible books could (and probably will) be constructed from existing papers.

Eloquent Plea For Widespread Catholic Sunday School

See the superb article On-Fire Protestant or Lukewarm Catholic, by my good friend and ministry associate Dr. Stan Williams (a convert like myself).

I've always readily conceded that our esteemed Protestant brethren (i.e., the more orthodox and traditional ones: broadly defined as "evangelical") do a far, far better job than we do at education and the small-group paradigm (just as they do much better at individual Bible reading and evangelism, etc.). Having been in both camps, I know this very well from firsthand experience. We would do well to learn from their example in this regard.

There is nothing "un-Catholic" or liberal or compromised in either the notion of "Sunday School" itself or in learning from various successful practices and methodologies of Protestants. This (I hasten to add, anticipating the usual objection) is not a doctrinal controversy; it is a matter of practicality, pedagogy, and catechesis and even of (indirectly) human psychology and social psychology.

Serious Protestants Continue to Tend Towards The Traditional Anti-Contraception Viewpoint

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Margaret Sanger: founder of Planned Parenthood and Mother of the
modern anti-child, anti-procreation contraceptive mentality


I've noted this welcome shift of perspective more and more since my conversion in 1990, and it is particularly fascinating and heartening to me, since the contraception issue was the first one that led me on my odyssey of conversion to Catholicism (since the latter promulgates the most consistent and unwavering opposition to contraception and artificial birth control).

For evidence of this, see the article Changing Opinions on Contraception and especially the meaty comments thread.

Tuesday, August 21, 2007

Reply to Kevin Johnson's Critiques of Catholicism (and Brief Notice of the Continuing Anti-Apologetic Rhetoric of Josh Strodtbeck)

Self-described Reformed Catholic Kevin Johnson (see his blog) wrote a post entitled Steve Ray Deletes My Comments. It seems, however, that many people who protest about having their remarks deleted think little of consistently applying the same ethic in their own forums.

I know from firsthand experience. Kevin's blog used to cite my laudatory comments on its front page. In the past, I engaged in several dialogues with Kevin and other Reformed Catholics -- all posted on my blog. But, alas, I apparently launched one criticism too many and so it was decided that I had to go, and I have been banned from his blog for quite some time now (and am not the only Catholic to have been, judging from recent comments). But when Kevin wanders over into Catholic apologist territory, he expects to be accorded the complete freedom of speech that he is only too ready to deny Catholics in his home base. Kevin wrote:
I’ll just allow our readers to decide whether my comments represent such things or not. It’s actually quite comical that Mr. Ray can’t endure serious examination of his apologetic. Well, to each their own, I suppose…
That double standard noted, I still think it is worthwhile to reply to his comments, because they represent a rare extended foray into the Catholic apologetic domain by Kevin. He will likely ignore my response (what else is new?), since he labors under a pronounced hostility towards both Catholic apologists and Catholic converts (and guess who fits into both categories?), but that is neither here nor there.

I'm quite familiar by now with the strong tendency of the Reformed Catholic camp (Tim Enloe first and foremost) being unwilling (and unable?) to defend their own positions when they are scrutinized. Kevin's own attitude towards Catholic apologetics is well-mirrored by Lutheran former seminarian Josh Strodtbeck, who contributes to the Reformed Catholicism blog, and wrote in this very thread:
Catholic apologetics, as I have discovered with my own pet apologist over on my personal blog, is basically a self-congratulatory bubble. They don’t take kindly to anyone actually coming through the bubble’s wall. I would say you had best leave their weird little subculture alone.
Also, recently on his own blog, Josh repeated the same sort of unhelpful inanities:
"I've appointed myself Chief Defender of the Faith." These self-appointed apologists are usually laymen, almost always converts from another tradition who apparently feel the need to constantly justify to themselves and the world their change of ecclesiastical allegiance. Selectively reading history or Scripture, ad hominem attacks, "complex questions," etc, it's all there. A common trait is inventing justifications for doctrines that were unheard of at the time of their promulgation, contrary to other doctrines, not seriously entertained by any real theologian of their tradition, not the real motivation for the apologist's own belief, or not consistent with the doctrine as it was actually intended to be understood and thus require creative reinterpretation.
And again on RefCath, Josh opines:
A former Catholic friend of mine once remarked to me that she had always considered Catholic apologetics spiritually corrupting, because it always seems to involve venturing reasons for belief that are not the reasons the apologist himself believes, or at least are not the reason that the Church teaches the particular doctrine. Ex post facto justifications are never a good idea in any other kind of discourse, so why would they be proper in theology?
It is almost certain that Kevin will indeed leave our "bubble" alone after he is replied to, so Josh need not worry. It is now standard practice at RefCath (and also Josh's blog) to mock Catholic apologetics, rather than attempt to seriously interact with it. But I will not repeat this error of method and charity. I will indeed treat Kevin's remarks seriously and spend time dealing with them. One can only hope that he and his friends will one day reciprocate so a real, productive discussion can take place. Kevin's words will be in blue:

[T]his morning I encountered the statements of Catholic “apologist” Steve Ray arguing for the
Blessed Mother to be considered “the Queen Mother” of our Lord.

Why is it that the critics of apologetics so often will put "apologist" in quotes, as if it isn't what it is? What is the purpose and justification for that? Steve Ray (whom I've known for 25 years, and long before he became a Catholic) is definitely a Catholic apologist. He has at least three books published, speaks widely, has produced a well-received video / DVD series on the history of the Church, and is often on the radio. He has a blog and a popular discussion board. What else must he do to be referred to as an "apologist" without the implied-denigratory quotation marks? Do we call someone a "baker" or a "cashier" or "mine worker"? Kevin wouldn't even consider putting quotations around those professions, but with Catholic apologists, he thinks it is necessary.

At a certain point it becomes pure prejudice, in my opinion, with no rational justification. Another related put-down often used by critics such as Kevin and Tim Enloe and (as we see above) Josh Strodtbeck, is to mock Catholic apologists as "self-appointed." That's another discussion, but I merely note it as another manifestation of irrational hostility and an insulting, smearing mentality.

Catholic apologists work hard (especially the e-sort) these days to justify everything from the text of Scripture and in doing so they often wind up looking like the most bizarre fundamentalists on the planet.

I've dealt with this bogus objection many times. It's very simple: we apologists speak the language with which our opponents are most familiar. That is nothing more than applying the Pauline principle of "being all things to all people." When discussing things with Protestants, Catholics will often emphasize biblical proofs. This does not for a moment suggest that we think biblical proofs are all we have for our positions (I make this very clear in introductions to my books that center upon biblical apologetics). But it does show how we shape our method according to the hearer (in fact, Vatican II was itself very insistent upon this).

Of what possible use is an authoritative reference to a papal encyclical or obscure council, in apologetics, if the dialogue partner couldn't care less about those things? It's simple common sense. Not only do we speak the language that hearers can relate to, but in recourse to biblical arguments, we are relying upon a standard that is readily agreed-upon by both parties. Therefore, the Bible is used rather than documents of Catholic Tradition. I should think this is rather obvious, but there it is.

Here’s a tip for all our Catholic friends. When you’re defending the traditional doctrines
of Catholicism, just admit it. You’re working with traditions. Not biblical doctrine.

In other words, Kevin simply assumes what he has a burden to prove. Obviously, the Catholic denies the premise that Catholic "traditional" doctrines are somehow "not biblical doctrine" by their very nature. And of course, to argue these points requires very long and complex discussion (that we are more than willing to engage in). So it is better to just state what they haven't proven, so as to avoid the time-consuming labor of actual interactive and serious discussion. Just caricature and mock the Catholic apologists so you don't have to do any significant work in defending your own positions . . . Not impressive at all . . .

And you’ve accepted such things by faith in the Magisterium.

To some extent, yes, of course (just as every Calvinist accepts implicitly and in faith that John Calvin and other luminaries of the early Protestant movement offered special insights that they accept). But neither instance of "faith" rules out the fact of possible biblical and historical and reasonable evidences that involve far more than simply faith.

Whether or not the traditions are present in Scripture is really immaterial.

It is not at all. Catholics believe in the "three-legged stool" of Scripture - Tradition - Church and so we expect to find biblical indications, even if only implicit or indirect in some cases (the Assumption being a notable example of non-explicit biblical indications).

There is no Queen Mother tradition in the Scriptures that would allow you to take these sorts of
logical leaps:

This is simply untrue and again assumes what it needs to prove. But my present purpose is to discuss these matters in general terms, so I can't go off discussing one specific Marian issue.

[Responding to Steve Ray] I would love to engage with you regarding this discussion but you are going to have to drop your standard polemical approach that you may use with your average everyday evangelical.

I think this may be true to some extent, but no more true of Steve Ray than it is of Kevin Johnson on the other end of the discussion. He, too, constantly assumes a polemical stance against Catholics, particularly apologists and converts. I've observed it myself for years (and have documented it in several papers). But it has gotten worse recently. As I said, he and I used to engage in pretty god discussions (I thought), but no longer, by his choice. I'd love to engage Kevin, too, in intelligent, non-polemical discussion, if only he were willing.

What I would welcome is an actual response to what I have already written–something you have yet to put forward . . . So, please, I would love to discuss this further, but I think it
might be worth your time to consider that there is more here to deal with than a complete dismissal of yet one more Protestant. I’d like a response to my initial comments–I hope you can make time for it!

I know the feeling well: having authored many scores of papers that remained completely unanswered by Tim Enloe, James White, Kevin Johnson, and other Protestants: both anti-Catholic and ecumenical. But I have responded here. I gave Kevin what he wants. Will he ignore it again, contrary to his stated wishes?

You speak as if you know my opinion on things when it is clear that you don’t since you yourself stated that you have no time to find out “the various details”.

I can't speak for Steve Ray, but (speaking for myself, as a fellow Catholic apologist) I am extremely familiar with Kevin's strain of belief, having followed it for years, as well as the posts of Tim Enloe, who is in the same camp as well.

Really this is a matter of you’re not interested in conversing and that’s fine. Since that’s the case, I’d just ask that you quit making absurd statements about what it is you think I believe.

The same statement exactly describes Kevin's relationship with Catholic apologists as of late. He makes many ridiculous comments about us, but shows little or no willingness to discuss things. Granted, he tried with Steve Ray, who appealed to lack of time. I have less time than I did before, having taken on full-time work recently, but I would be happy to engage in the same sort of discussion.

In the meantime, I do hope you won’t mind if I comment here or there on what you’ve publicly made available on the Internet. Maybe down the road you’ll take some interest in what it is I have said because in this case at least it speaks directly to the points you are attempting to make.

This statement applies directly to my critiques of the Reformed Catholic perspective as well.

No, /sola Scriptura/ and /sola fide are not mere inventions of men.

Whether they are or not, it is a demonstrable fact that neither belief was held by the Church Fathers. I have documented this myself in great detail. Protestantism claims to be a "reform": i.e., to hearken back to what was present earlier. Therefore, it must be able to demonstrate an early pedigree for its distinctive beliefs (and indeed John Calvin and the Lutheran systematic theologian Martin Chemnitz were both well aware of this). But it cannot. Therein lies the serious conundrum of historically-minded Protestants (folks like Kevin). If they can't demonstrate historical continuity, then it makes no sense to use the word "reform". "Revolt" or "departure from precedent" would then be the much more appropriate descriptions. It becomes a question of proper semantics and accurate history.

For one thing, a closer look at the issue will reveal the legitimacy of what I am saying as well as demonstrate that from the text of Scripture we either have plain witness to both or can deduce them from the text. /

I've debated this issue probably more than any other, and with many leading exponents of it. I remain as completely unconvinced as ever, that this doctrine can be proven from Scripture.

I don’t think we’ll agree in regards to either given your precommitment to the Roman Magisterium and her opinion. Really, for your view it doesn’t even matter if the Scriptures did teach the two doctrines in question. You’re bound to obey Rome regardless and it is this blind obedience that will get in the way of even considering the matter properly.

This is a constant double standard, used in contra-Catholic polemics. What is never also stated is the fact that every Calvinist also has commitments to presuppositions that cannot be overcome. The most obvious example is TULIP itself. No Calvinist can deny the truth of those tenets and continue to be a Calvinist. And they cannot because it is considered an authoritative, binding interpretation of Scripture: not in the full Catholic sense of an infallible Church, but enough so to be more than an adequate enough analogy to overthrow the polemical "point" against the Catholic system. We all accept things that we cannot absolutely prove (whether from Scripture or any other way), so why keep talking about that? Much better to argue each particular through . . . Note also the lovely insulting touch of "blind obedience." Kevin (like a fish in water) is so soaked in contra-Catholic thinking that he seems to not even realize what a rank insult this is to a Catholic, as if our faith were completely irrational and almost applied without the slightest thought or reason.

Never mind Keith Matheson’s book on the subject,

I issued a lengthy critique of his reasoning (never replied to).

James White also has a book titled “Scripture Alone”,

I've engaged White on the issue at great length. He systematically ignores my critiques of his arguments, and has done so for twelve years and running.

and David King and William Webster compiled a three volume work on the subject.

I replied to Webster twice (completely unanswered) and to King (who fled for the hills). I've also profusely documented (notably in debate with anti-Catholic Protestant apologist Jason Engwer, who fled halfway through the very public debate on the Protestant CARM discussion forum: his own "territory") how many Church Fathers did not accept sola Scriptura at all, contrary to Webster and King's revisionist claims.

Volume two of that trilogy is aptly subtitled “An Historical Defense of the Reformation Principle of Sola Scriptura” and some 450 pages long. I think Ray’s readers would find the ten plus pages of bibliography and references to the early Church Fathers enlightening.

I've yet to see anything remotely approaching a compelling proof that any major Church Father accepted this belief. Many Protestant historians concede that to hold to the contrary is historically incorrect.

But to your points, I’m happy to discuss these passages with you.

Yes; the proof's in the pudding, isn't it? Steve Ray has no time. I'm more than willing to take my time to have such a discussion (I'm less busy than Steve is). I've done it many times before.

The question really comes down to why you would see these things in Scripture when without reference to Catholic tradition they wouldn’t necessarily be there. Are there theological presuppositions you’re bringing to the table in providing us with the view you have? If so, what do you think they are?

Good topics of discussion all . . .

Setting up a straw man is a regrettable choice in doing apologetics and it is subject and should be subject to scathing responses by those who know better.

I couldn't agree more . . .

[T]here is nothing but Rome’s tradition that would link the wonderful Scriptural typologies concerning Mary, the Church, and the Communion of Saints to her role as someone to pray to, someone who intercedes or mediates for us, and someone who carries near divine status as she is often considered in Catholic circles.

Oh, I have tons of stuff about all of this . . . but "near divine status" is a gross caricature of what we believe.

Kevin goes on to discuss various Marian issues. I see no good reason to spend more of my time at this juncture delving into those (things I have written about at great length already) unless Kevin shows himself willing to discuss the issues with me. If he does change his mind on that, then there is no limit (other than time) to what could be constructively, amiably discussed.

Monday, August 20, 2007

James White's Hypocritical Sense of Humor

Just for the record . . .

Lately the big blog controversy has been over the good bishop's "funny" comparison of Catholics to Muslim terrorists. Catholic apologist Jimmy Akin protested and his blog post generated a (record?) 795 responses (!!) as of this writing. Here are White's funny-as-all-get-out satirical doctored "photos" (ha ha ha he he ho ho):

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(Francis Beckwith is a recent "revert" to the Catholic Church whom White has been personally trashing and treating unethically in addition to his expected theological critiques)

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Really hilarious stuff, ain't it?

This brings to my mind some of the more notorious of Bishop White's past attempts at "humor." I've been the target, myself, of two visual caricatures done by the Bishop White's artist, Angel Contreras. Here is the first one, in which I am portrayed as a sadistic, hateful practitioner of voodoo:

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What I find most interesting here is the insinuation that I was lying about the counter-caricature simply being a piece of harmless fun (which of course it was). All we did was spoof White's own caricature of himself with all the "darts" of his opponents missing his smirking face.

Ours had the Catholic dart hit him squarely in the forehead. But White had a hissy fit because we actually showed blood. That was over the line for him.

Now, many of my own readers also objected (funny how you never hear of White's followers and sycophants objecting to any of his questionable attempts at smear-humor; I guess in their eyes he is always right about everything and never wrong about anything). I apologized for the offense caused and removed my counter-caricature after all of one whole day. And that is because I recognize (as I expressed then) that humor and satire is highly subjective and a matter of taste to a large extent. Reasonable people can disagree that some humor goes too far and is truly offensive. Praise God that we are not all exactly the same. That would be a very boring world.

This is why it is beyond odd that White has never, to my knowledge, apologized for any of his vicious hit pieces against opponents, including the present ones with the Islamist terrorists supposedly being analogous to Catholics who defend Francis Beckwith against White's and other anti-Catholics' smears and despicable ad hominem attacks. He apparently doesn't recognize the possibility that some instances of humor can be truly offensive (even objectively so to a large extent, I would argue).

All that seems to matter to White is the nature of the opponent's belief-system. If that opponent happens to be Catholic, then all is fair game; anything goes. And that is because (for him) Catholics are unregenerate, totally depraved, idolatrous, pagan non-Christians (with converts and apologists like myself even lower down the scale and into the slime because we are "traitors" and "false teachers"). Therefore, the usual rules of charity and benefit of the doubt are cast to the wind.

It's okay to lie about those wrongly considered to be evil "theological liars" themselves. We can't possibly have an honest, sincere theological disagreement. We must be thoroughly wicked and evil and obstinate because we disagree with White's Reformed Baptist theological worldview. Yet we don't dare classify this idiotic and hyper-uncharitable cynicism as "anti-Catholic". One can only suffer so much of such profoundly stupid folly.

Using the caricature of myself as an example to illustrate my point, then, look carefully at what White does: in his mind, my caricature couldn't possibly have been done in fun. It had to be a case of hateful spite and malice. White has, many times, shown forth a considerable amount of paranoia about his theological opponents, and implied that they literally hate him. Needless to say, I don't hate him or anyone else. Even White himself later admitted that if we had done the caricature with a simple dart on his forehead, without the blood, that it "might" have been funny.

But he couldn't get past the blood. As I said, reasonable, good people can disagree on that. I have no problem with such honest disagreement at all (which is part of the reason I removed it and why my friend did a "bloodless" version). But White takes it one step further by making out that the presence of this element proves that I am a liar when I state outright that it was "all in fun."

He always does this, no matter what form of humor is done regarding him. For heaven's sake: I couldn't even stretch out his photo or make another look like a negative without his being offended. One might observe that this is what proud and arrogant people do. They can't laugh at themselves. What's more harmless or innocent than a stretched-out photo? How is that "hateful" or vengeful or anything of the sort? Just because I don't kiss White's feet and accept his every word like a baby bird being fed by its mother, I must therefore "hate" him? There is clearly, unquestionably a double standard at work here.

But let White satirize Catholics and all these relevant ethical considerations go to the wayside. I pointed out at the time he protested our counter-caricature, how he had already posted a caricature of Catholic apologist Patrick Madrid being stroned as an idolater who would have worshiped the Golden Calf. He replied by saying that Madrid "looked good" in the caricature (completely missing the ethical and comparative point that I was making):

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Good and effective and proper satire (as I have noted many times) involves truth-telling, not outright lies about opponents. Note how White's versions of satire shamelessly lie and distort the truth of the matters that they touch upon. I was portrayed as a liar and hateful person (neither of which were true at all). White couldn't comprehend that any satire done about him could be done with anything but a hateful, base motivation (which is, after all -- remember -- the very doctrine of total depravity that Calvinists accept).

Likewise, defenders of Dr. Beckwith (who has himself acted charitably, ethically, and with nothing but class all through his ordeal of being personally attacked because he felt duty-bound to return to the Catholic Church) couldn't possibly have a good motivation; they must be analogous to terrorists who blow up babies and saw people's heads off. How funny . . . And Pat Madrid, as a Catholic, and (worse yet) an apologist who actually defends Catholic beliefs, can't possibly believe what he does in good conscience (even if entirely mistaken, from an opposing viewpoint).

No; he must be rationalizing about the nature of Catholic worship and our clear distinction between adoration of God and veneration of saintly creatures. He must be an idolater. Nothing else can be true because White's warped, twisted anti-Catholic framework and lack of understanding of Catholic theology simply doesn't permit it. It is unthinkable. And so, in effect, anyone who is a Catholic and goes to Mass is committing the equivalent of worship of the Golden Calf. This is at least consistent with what old man Calvin himself said (as well as Luther). If nothing else can be said for White, it can be said that he is far more in line with Calvin's
beliefs about Catholics than the so-called "Reformed Catholics" who pretend that Calvin was not thoroughly anti-Catholic himself. But since Calvin was dead-wrong about that, so is White and other anti-Catholics today.

White finds all this humor of his and his caricaturist hilariously funny. I think he should ask himself: why does he have to lie and distort the truth about his theological opponents in order to be "funny"? Wouldn't a truth-based approach to humor suit him better, as well befits any Christian man committed to the true and the ethical as opposed to false and unethical and uncharitable things?

For more on White's humor, see a former article of mine on the topic.

Friday, August 03, 2007

James White's Continued Idiotic Opposition to Catholic Use of the Term Anti-Catholic

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Yeah, I know (I'll nip the expected protest in the bud); I used a strong word: idiotic, to describe White's position on this. There are times when a strong word like that is fully justified (another applicable description would be sheer stupidity). This is one such time. White (in this instance, as in others I have noted throughout the years) has left the field of objectivity, reason, and logic, and has entered into downright surreal territory, where logic and reasonable definitions of words are irrelevant. He is in the la-la land of emotional, subjective re-definition of terms to his own liking (sounds quite postmodernistic, doesn't it?), regardless of their etymology or current usage by scholars and apologists alike.

Here is the Merriam-Webster Online entry for idiotic and its cognate idiocy:
Main Entry: id·i·ot·ic
Pronunciation: "i-dE-'ä-tik
Variant(s): also id·i·ot·i·cal /-'ä-ti-k&l/
Function: adjective
1 : characterized by idiocy
2 : showing complete lack of thought or common sense : FOOLISH
- id·i·ot·i·cal·ly /-ti-k(&-)lE/ adverb

Main Entry: id·i·o·cy
Pronunciation: 'i-dE-&-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -cies
1 usually offensive : extreme mental retardation
2 : something notably stupid or foolish

[both #2's describe my own understanding and definition in using the word to describe White's present opinions]
Note (one must always note this, to avoid offense and misunderstanding) that I am not calling James White the person an idiot, or saying that his entire character amounts to that of an idiot. Not at all. In fact, I have been on record many times commending White's work in dealing with various cults and false belief-systems (e.g., his recent articles on Mormonism, which are excellent), and link to many of those writings of his. I don't believe that James White is a stupid person or, for that matter, a dishonest one (both descriptions, by the way, that he has often applied to me). I am saying, rather, that this particular opinion of his is idiotic. The definition fits his mentality on this question to a tee.

I've been through this routine, pointing out White's inane inconsistencies about anti-Catholic and equivalent anti- terms that he himself habitually uses, several times. I won't even bother to cite those papers yet again. Anyone interested can seek them out in the lengthy James White section of my Anti-Catholicism web page. Here are James' latest puerile rantings on this topic:
Speaking of which, I will be playing clips from the 7/31 Catholic Answers Live radio program. They are now advertising the Steve Gregg/Tim Staples "debate" (it was a radio program, not a debate) along with the "Bible Answer Man Debate with noted Anti-Catholic James White." Note that I'm an anti-Catholic, but Steve Gregg isn't. Starting to get an idea of just how malleable, and in fact, simply dishonest CA is about its use of such slurs? When your worldview and faith requires you to support godliness in sexual morality, that makes you a "homophobe," right? And if you proclaim the historic Christian faith against the later claims of Islam, you become an "Islamophobe," right? And, if you deny such man-made dogmas as Papal Infallibility or the Bodily Assumption of Mary, beliefs utterly unknown as dogmas to the early centuries of believers, you are now an "anti-Catholic" (I think they'd use "Catholiphobe" if it didn't look so downright silly).

( 8-1-07 )

Then we moved to Tuesday's Catholic Answers Live program, playing some of the commercials and commentary regarding the Steve Gregg/Tim Staples radio discussion (which they like to call a "debate"). We noted that in their commercials, and even in their live discussions, I'm "anti-Catholic" James White, but Steve Gregg is just...Steve Gregg. I wonder...if I'm an anti-Catholic (and the only meaningful use of such a phrase would be to describe someone whose entire faith is defined by its opposition to Rome), why is my next major debate with Shabir Ally? Strange.

( 8-2-07 )
Now, let's look at these statements more closely. To use White's own beloved tactics, let us "cross-examine" White's reasoning and see if it can withstand close scrutiny).

Note that I'm an anti-Catholic, but Steve Gregg isn't. Starting to get an idea of just how malleable, and in fact, simply dishonest CA is about its use of such slurs?

Now, I don't know if Steve Gregg is an anti-Catholic (one who denies that Catholic theology is truly Christian) or not. I just spent a half hour or so Googling his name (even listening to portions of online talks) to try to find some information in this regard, and came up with nothing definitive. He may or may not be. But either way, what White states above does not follow logically.

His basic fallacy lies in assuming that calling someone by a label sums up all that they are. This is untrue. I myself could be called by many labels: Christian, Catholic, Catholic apologist, anti-abortion activist, pro-lifer, political conservative, orthodox Catholic, ecumenical Catholic, evangelical Catholic, Scottish-American, midwesterner, Michigander, Detroiter, nature lover, amateur musician, former Protestant, baby boomer, athlete, history lover, amateur theologian, family man, married man, brother, Romantic (i.e., in the art, literature, and musical sense), friend, son, C.S. Lewis aficionado, uncle, writer, author, etc. I've even been falsely called anti-Lutheran and anti-Protestant. Do any of these sum up all that is Dave Armstrong? Of course not. Nor does anti-Catholic necessarily imply that it is all that a man is.

That is White's fallacy and illogical thinking, bred by pure emotion. Many times, have I referred to him as an anti-Catholic Reformed apologist or anti-Catholic Baptist apologist, or simply as a Baptist apologist. When the anti-Catholic part is thrown in, it is obviously a qualifier or further descriptive term, showing that he is a particular sort of Baptist apologist (as not all Baptists, let alone apologists, are anti-Catholic). This is one of the several things in this regard that White seems not to understand, though it has, no doubt, been explained to him dozens of times by now (several times by yours truly alone).

All this being the case, it is not necessary at all for Catholic Answers or anyone else to describe a person as an anti-Catholic (if indeed he is). Nor is it, by the same token, "dishonest" to use the term for one person and not another (even if the second person actually is one). And the reason for this is that there are no absolute requirements in describing people, along with the fact that it is not summing up all that they are or that they believe in the first place.

Moreover, the term was obviously applied to James White not only because he obviously fits into the category, but because he is known as perhaps the most zealous and influential Protestant apologist doing anti-Catholic analysis today. Therefore, he is sensibly referred to as an anti-Catholic. In Steve Gregg's case, on the other hand, if he is an anti-Catholic, it is certainly not obvious, as shown by the difficulty of my Google search to find out whether he is or not. A similar search for White's opinions on the matter would easily turn up hundreds of proofs.

Therefore, it is not improper at all for Catholic Answers not to use the description anti-Catholic for Steve Gregg in noting a debate. Nor does this prove that the term is "malleable" nor that the use by Catholic Answers is a "slur" or "dishonest". None of this follows at all, and flows simply from White's basic fallacies in understanding how the word is used and applied and the factors that determine the same.

When your worldview and faith requires you to support godliness in sexual morality, that makes you a "homophobe," right?

This is a classic case of a non sequitur, or red herring. It has no bearing on or relevance to the question at hand. The analogy doesn't hold. But White's readers apparently do not take note when he is illogical in this way, and guilty of sophistry, so he keeps doing it. Of course, the general public has no idea how people are reacting to White, judging by his own blog alone, because he allows no comments.

Now, let's look at how illogical White is being in this instance. He cites the secular offense at Christian opposition to homosexuality as automatically equating with a supposed fear (the literal meaning of phobia) or hatred of homosexuals. He is quite right that this does not follow at all. One can simply oppose the sexual morality and practice of homosexuals without either fearing or hating them as people. But we are not (at least I'm not) claiming that White hates or fears Catholics; only that he denies that the Catholic system of theology is truly classified as Christian. That's all anti-Catholic means. It is a doctrinal definition, not an emotional or personal one. I've explained this a hundred times if I've explained it once, and have backed it up from sociological and historiographical academic usage as well.

It's true that anti-Catholic can mean movements of hatred and political and physical opposition to catholicism, such as the Know-Nothings and Ku Klux Klan, etc. But it doesn't have to mean that, and in Catholic apologetic usage, it rarely means such a thing. So we have a case where a word can have multiple accepted meanings or definitions, and White refuses to recognize one of them, preferring to pretend that the intended definition from a class of "users" is something that it clearly is not. He's simply thinking illogically and irrationally (well, again, idiotically). As an educated man (Masters degree from Fuller Seminary), he ought to know far better than this.

To offer an analogy, I myself can be accurately called an anti-abortionist. That is, I oppose abortion as immoral and evil. It's a literally correct description (though I prefer pro-lifer). Clearly, this word doesn't contain all that I am, or believe. Yet this was one of White's fallacies noted above, with regard to anti-Catholic. Nor does it imply that I hate or fear those who favor abortion. I don't at all. If anything, I pity them and fear for their spiritual well-being and eternal souls, but I do not hate them.

This is how we apply anti-Catholic to White. He opposes the Catholic Church. And he does so to the extent of reading it out of Christianity altogether. But it doesn't follow that he hates the Church or individual Catholics, nor that all his work is devoted to opposing it and to nothing else.
And it is ridiculous for him to imply that by using this word of him, anyone is necessarily insinuating those things that don't follow at all. Some folks, of course, don't make necessary distinctions, and may go on to accuse White of these other things. And, in fact, White may have those feelings, too (who knows; we are not to judge his heart). But simply using the word anti-Catholic does not imply any of those non-theological factors.

And if you proclaim the historic Christian faith against the later claims of Islam, you become an "Islamophobe," right?

The same fallacy again, that applied to the homosexuality example . . . it's a false analogy from the get-go.

. . . (I think they'd use "Catholiphobe" if it didn't look so downright silly).

Hardly, because that is not the thought that is meant or intended in the first place.

. . .
And, if you deny such man-made dogmas as Papal Infallibility or the Bodily Assumption of Mary, beliefs utterly unknown as dogmas to the early centuries of believers, you are now an "anti-Catholic"

Not at all. That makes you a Protestant, not an anti-Catholic (Protestant). I used to be in such a category myself, but I was never an anti-Catholic. One must deny that Catholicism is Christian to be described as an anti-Catholic. So now White sets up ludicrous straw men to shoot down, thus further proving that he is completely out to sea even in understanding how his opponents define fundamental terms. Needless to say, that betrays atrociously deficient skills in dialogue and debate, as Rule Number One in all constructive, sensible, intelligent debate and dialogue is to correctly understand that which one opposes, so as to avoid altogether this very same mistake, so evident above, of creating straw men that in fact, one's opponent does not himself believe. That only makes the one making the criticism look, well, idiotic . . .

. . . the only meaningful use of such a phrase would be to describe someone whose entire faith is defined by its opposition to Rome

It's absolutely amazing how plain stupid this sort of analysis is! First of all, White doesn't determine the "only meaningful use" of any term or word. That is determined by actual widespread usage (and some would say, by the dictionary, which in turn more or less reflects actual use among a populace). That said, White has this notion that the phrase anti-Catholic must be used in the way he demands that it be used. Well, reality (and the linguistic field) simply doesn't work that way, I'm sad to inform venerable Bishop White.

Who ever claimed that anti-Catholicism must characterize all that a person believes, or (in White's term) their "entire faith"? No one ever claimed this, and it is stupid for White to pretend that this is the only way it can be used. It just ain't so! Further argument would be superfluous, and would make anyone attempting it look as silly as White already does, because his argument is so self-evidently fallacious and illogical and dead-wrong.

Following this shoddy, dumb, wholly erroneous premise that he accepts, we see how White builds upon his foundation of sand, leading to further ridiculous supposed "conclusions" about the imaginary reasoning of his opponents:

I wonder...if I'm an anti-Catholic . . . why is my next major debate with Shabir Ally? Strange.

One can only shake their head . . . the answer is remarkably difficult!: one can believe more than one thing at the same time!!!!!! Man, that was tough to comprehend, wasn't it? Bishop James White can actually be an anti-Catholic (where he is wrong) and can oppose Islamic apologists (where he is right and does very good work). One and the same person can be both right on Topic X and wrong on Topic Y!!! He can wrongly be anti-Catholic and rightly be anti-Islam (as I am myself; i.e., in the analogous theological sense; I critiqued Ally in one of my papers, too). Isn't that an incredible realization? I bet most of you readers had never thought such a thing was possible before, huh? Excuse my sarcasm, but c'mon . . . how much silliness can one take? I don't know how to deal with such inane foolishness without using a bit of sarcasm and humor. I really don't . . .

The saddest thing is that if White reads this at all, he'll (as all my past experience with him dictates) simply mock it and miss the entire point again (as he has scores of times with me) and go on his merry way blithely committing the same fallacies over and over and over. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't write papers such as this, exposing such errors, because the main reason to do so is for my readers to avoid committing the same mistakes. That's why I do what I do.

If White is actually convinced one of these days and retracts his numerous errors and false beliefs, praise God. But I don't expect that to likely happen (anything is possible, of course). If it does, it would be a joyful occasion and "extra bonus" if you will. In the meantime, as an apologist, I seek to expose false thinking and ideas and illogical thought, so that my readers won't fall into the same pattern, and (hopefully) so that even some of White's readers and followers can see that their hero is not always right about everything, and is not infrequently guilty of downright lousy, even idiotic thinking (that they ought not imitate).

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See White's "response" to the above original post: which proceeded exactly as I predicted. Some highlights of this hyper-ridiculous piece:

I'm supposedly "melting down" again.

I'm not really ecumenical.

I supposedly get "hurt" by the omnipresent anti-Catholic insults and ad hominem tactics.

I don't do serious research or argumentation.

I allegedly "arbitrarily" define anti-Catholic (never mind that several prominent Protestant sociologists and historians -- e.g., James Davison Hunter -- use it the same way, and that I have noted and documented this till I am blue in the face). Meanwhile, he barges right ahead making the truly arbitrary definition of the word himself, without realizing the manifest hypocritical irony and how foolish this makes him look.

I supposedly wrote my post in "anger" (amusement and amazement most accurately characterize my feeling when I wrote it; one doesn't get angry at a person they pity).

White writes: "Now, I am a Protestant apologist." Of course he is. Who ever denied this? I reiterated it in the current paper. He sez: "I am a Reformed Baptist apologist." Big wow! I said that too. What does it have to do with the topic? The more I deal with White, it becomes clear that he really doesn't comprehend viewpoints other than his own (obviously, he doesn't want to; he chooses not do do so, because he may be many things but he is not dumb), and so he feels it necessary to caricature, misrepresent, and dismiss them.

He sez he does lots of different stuff. I know. That's why I have commended him for those things and link to his works. Again, nothing new. Nothing I need to know. I mentioned it in the post. But he is a foolish hypocrite since he makes this point, as if it is some momentous discovery, whereas I am already quite familiar with his other work, and at the same time he refuses to recognize a single good thing that I have ever done (i.e., he refuses to apply the principle he more or less demands for himself, to other people in the same fashion; to apply the Golden Rule, in other words). Mr. Double Standard, as always. He apparently thinks all I do is fight against anti-Catholics, when it is only a relatively small portion of my overall apologetic work.

"Anyone who would insinuate that my life, my ministry, my writing, my entire ministry, is somehow defined by a negative stance toward a particular religion, or by Roman Catholicism in particular, is engaging in clear and gross falsehood."

I agree! That's why I made this clear in the paper, and why I often call him an "anti-Catholic Reformed Baptist", and indeed, a Bishop, because he called himself that, and I like to recognize ecclesiastical offices. This is the idiotic understanding that I wrote about: White somehow has this notion in his head that mere use of the term "anti-Catholic" -- by its very nature -- sums up a person's entire perspective and work.

Of course, if he would actually interact with the reasoning I gave, maybe we could get somewhere and arrive at a mutually-agreeable understanding. But that would never do. It would be too sensible and normal. I asked, for instance, in one of our numerous "exchanges" on this issue, what term we Catholics should use to differentiate Protestants who think we are Christians from those who think we are not. I was willing to use a term that was agreeable to both parties. But I never received any suggestions. Instead we are down at the schoolyard level of making fun of a photo where my wife Judy and I liked the background of bare trees for a portrait, and shooting down straw men and projecting nonexistent attitudes and motivations such as "melting down" and "anger" and deliberate dishonesty and so forth.

That is James White's standard methodology. If it weren't for the fact that he is adversely affecting people, I certainly wouldn't spend my valuable time dealing with him at all. I would have been through with him for good after our first "debate" in 1995, when he ran without answering the necessary hard questions I asked, in order to critique his absurd position on Catholicism. But because he has some influence on people who read his stuff about Catholicism, with his falsehoods, it is my duty as an apologist to make some reply occasionally, no matter how distasteful (plain boring at that) and insulting to the intelligence I personally consider his anti-Catholic work (not all his work) to be.

* * * * *

White wrote in his "reply":

[J]ust as I refer to Roman Catholic apologists, Mormon apologists, Islamic apologists, etc., the honest person will refer to me as a Reformed Baptist apologist. As soon as you hear a person, or group, doing the "let's define our critics by our own theology" routine, you need to consider that they may well be using such language not to aid in understanding, but to diminish it through poisoning the well, prejudicing the thinking of especially their own supporters and followers. That is what Catholic Answers is up to. That is what Dave Armstrong is up to. And this activity says much about their motivations and the truthfulness of their teachings.

I was curious about what exactly I have called James White title-wise. I will go through my many papers about White and take account of how I referred to him the very first time in each paper (i.e., the first time I used any description besides just "James White"):
Baptist apologist and anti-Catholic champion 1

anti-Catholic Baptist apologist 4

Reformed Baptist 4

Reformed Baptist apologist 1

anti-Catholic luminary 1

Bishop White 5

Baptist anti-Catholic luminary 1

Bishop James White 3

Christian apologist (Reformed Baptist) 1

anti-Catholic Reformed Baptist apologist 4

Reformed apologist 1

Baptist anti-Catholic apologist 1

Professional anti-Catholic 1

Baptist apologist 1

Baptist bishop 1
So we see that of the fifteen different ways I have referred to Mr. White in my papers, anti-Catholic was present in the titles a minority of the time (7), and indeed, five of those seven times it was accompanied by a further description (Baptist - 4 / Reformed Baptist - 1), meaning that I referred to him as an anti-Catholic without the notice that he was also a Baptist only two times out of fifteen different titles.

This hardly complies with White's complaints in the paragraph immediately above, where I am portrayed as dishonest and with unsavory motivations for supposedly doing what I clearly have not done. White says the honest thing to do is call him a Reformed Baptist apologist. Readers can see that I refer to him (out of 29 instances in many papers, and fifteen different descriptions) as follows:
Baptist 7 (6 times also in the same context as an anti-Catholic)

Reformed Baptist 10 (4 times also in the same context as an anti-Catholic)

Reformed 1
So that is 10 times out of 29 where I called him exactly what he wants to be called, seven more times simply as Baptist without the "Reformed" and once as Reformed, for a total of 18 times out of 29 instances. I also use the term apologist in 8 of 15 titles. If anti-Catholic is also present it is clearly a qualifying term of Baptist or Reformed Baptist, which remain the primary identifiers.

Therefore, White is flat-out lying about me in his paragraph above and engaging in cynical misrepresentations. I think he should ask himself (or others should ask him) why he feels a need to do this.

Wednesday, August 01, 2007

Some Things Never Change: Reformed Theologian R.L. Dabney's 1894 Analysis of Protestant Defections to Catholicism and Protestant-Catholic Differences

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Robert Lewis Dabney (1820-1898)

Thanks to the source where I discovered this information.

Reformed pastor Steve Schlissel (see my previous interactions with his materials: one / two / three / four) has written about 19th century (anti-Catholic) Presbyterian theologian Robert Lewis Dabney's explanations of why so many Protestants were converting to Rome (and they still are doing so, of course). He correctly identifies many legitimate reasons, and the similarity to the continuing situation today is quite striking. The following excerpts are from his article, cited in the above-linked post (bolded emphases my own):

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In 1894, . . . Robert Lewis Dabney, aimed his x-ray vision at a subject which troubled him deeply: the defection of large numbers of Protestants to Rome. His essay, “The Attractions of Popery,” which appeared in the April issue of The Presbyterian Quarterly, made it clear he was no friend of the trend. Dabney regarded “the popish system of ritual and doctrine” to be “the most skillful and pernicious system of error which the world has ever known.”

Yet in setting about to explain why Protestants were becoming Romanists—a trend he predicted would grow—Dabney at times sounded like an apologist for Rome. This is because his Presbyterian convictions were so firmly rooted, he enjoyed the luxury of giving full credit to all the advantages of his opponent. A review of Dabney’s insights concerning Rome’s allure to Protestants has become, if anything, more relevant as we witness in our own time what seems to be an increase in defections from truth to error.

. . . Dabney admitted what many Protestants still fear to admit: that the Protestant assertion of liberty of conscience had run amok and become innumerable assertions of true, though contradictory, private judgments. “Rationalistic and skeptical Protestantism now claims, instead of that righteous liberty, license to dogmatize at the bidding of every caprice, every impulse of vanity, every false philosophy…The result has been a diversity and confusion of pretended creeds and theologies among nominal Protestants which perplexes and frightens sincere, but timid, minds.”

Against this creedal chaos, Rome could come forward to say, “You see what Protestantism leads to? We told you so! Come back to the foundation where infallibility extends from Scripture to history!” When an inquirer decides to be a Roman Catholic, his creedal choices have been reduced. When he decides to become a Protestant, his creedal troubles have just begun.

. . . Against the growing theological liberalism of the nineteenth century, Rome had remained quite stable. While European and American Protestants were rejecting the inspiration of Scripture, vicarious atonement, the Trinity, and even the idea of the supernatural, Rome maintained all these.

. . . As church discipline was disappearing from Protestant churches, the confessional, for all its abuses and despite its invitation to spiritual tyranny, nevertheless remained “a strong organ of church discipline, and is employed as such in every Romish chapel.”

. . . Rather than the holiness of its members, American Protestantism—under the sway of revivalism which relied “upon all species of vulgar claptrap and sensational artifice…instead of the pure word and spirit of God”—became obsessed with the number of its members. Thus, revivalism, just as is the case with its modern daughter-movement called “church growth,” succeeded in destroying churches by substituting body-count for holiness. Scores of thousands of dead souls were stuffed, by trick and trade, into the churches. “Meantime, Rome gets up no spurious revivals; she works her system with the steadiness and perseverance which used to characterize pastoral effort and family religion among Presbyterians.”

. . . This led to a very stark contrast between the character of the Romish service—which appeared sober and reverent—and the character of the American Protestant service, which was often flippant, arrogant, proud and cheap, like a New Orleans whore. This contrast has accelerated over the last 107 years: Rome’s attraction on this score alone is proving irresistible to multitudes. Rather than the beauty of order, God is mocked in American evangelical (and many Reformed!) churches, where every innovation is introduced in an effort to make worship into a live television event, in order to gain audience share. It is nothing less than organized blasphemy. Who can wonder over a movement toward Rome in such an environment?

. . . While much could be said against the rote prayers of the papists, the rote prayer of Rome beats the “no prayer” of lapsed Protestantism. While Rome may celebrate too many days, Dabney gave them an advantage over Protestants who did not honor even the Lord’s Day. It’s bad to adore Mary, but it’s worse to adore nothing but self. “The Romanist’s machine prayers and vain repetitions have, at least, this tendency, to sustain in the soul some slight habit of religious reverence, and this is better than mere license of life.”

. . . Dabney saw Rome’s insistence upon religious schools, over against secularized State education, as a strong advantage for the pope. By embracing public schools, the “bulk of Protestants in the United States have betrayed themselves…to an attitude concerning the rearing of youth which must ever be preposterous and untenable for sincere Christians,” which must regard secular education as thoroughly wicked and destructive. Had “the statesmen and divines of the Reformation, the Luthers, Calvins, Knoxes, Winthrops, and Mathers…been asked, What think you of a theory of education which should train the understanding without instructing the religious conscience; which should teach young immortal spirits anything and everything except God; which should thus secularize education, a function essentially spiritual, and should take this parental task from the fathers and mothers, on whom God imposed it, to confer it on the earthly organism, expressly secular and godless? they would have answered with one voice, It is pagan, utterly damnable.”

Against the trend to secularize education, “the chief, the only organized protest heard in America (came) from the Romish Church.” American Protestants who groveled before the State while insisting they were sons of the Reformers, took aim against Rome which ironically stood alone in being loyal to the very principles of the Reformers! Advantage: Rome.

. . . Dabney admitted Rome erred in making marriage a sacrament, but recognized her superiority in maintaining it as a divinely ordered and religious institution, whereas “Protestant laws and debauched Protestant thought tend all over America to degrade it to a mere civil contract.” Compare the ease of divorce in the respective camps.

. . . Protestantism increasingly favored the mindset that would limit family size, even to the employment of intrusive measures, while “Romish pastors (stood) almost alone in teaching their people the enormous criminality of those nameless sins against posterity at which fashionable Protestantism connives…Their houses are peopled with children, while the homes of rich Protestants are too elegant and luxurious for such nuisances.”