Monday, February 06, 2006

Dietrich von Hildebrand & Legitimate Catholic "Traditionalism"


[Dietrich von Hildebrand's words will be in green ; Alice von Hildebrand's in purple]

I immediately ask three primary questions of anyone who calls himself a Catholic "traditionalist":

1. Is the Novus Ordo Mass valid?
2. Is Vatican II a valid and binding Ecumenical Council?
3. Is Pope John Paul II a valid pope?

Unfortunately I do think that self-described "traditionalists" (who are actually what I call radical Catholic reactionaries or RadCathRs: over against legitimate "traditionalists") often want to play a sort of sub-conscious "game" of (in effect, or logical reduction of their position) seeing how close they can get to the "edge" (schism) without going over it (like a wobbly tightrope walker).

If one affirms these three tenets they would not be formally or canonically schismatic, as far as I understand (which is why I never say that a RadCathR who isn't in the SSPX is not a Catholic), yet they could very well (and often do, in my experience) possess what I call a "quasi-schismatic mentality." This allows one to criticize pope, Mass, and Council alike all day long, with never-ending moaning and groaning and breast-beating, sometimes in conspiratorial, apocalyptic, Chicken Little proportions. I don't think that is very helpful for the life of the Church, and in some respects it is as bad or worse than being a schismatic, for it is still within the Church, adversely affecting the faith and outlook of others, in my opinion.

In other words, I think there is a strong attitudinal element or tendency, akin to that found in other points of view, such as anti-Catholic Protestantism or "Catholic" theological liberalism. One can see no good in the pope, or no bad, or one can take a middle position (which I would call orthodoxy and being a faithful, obedient Catholic), where the pope's words and actions are accorded the immense respect and reverence appropriate to his exalted office, but where aspects of prudence or particular errors might be pointed out (as, e.g., in Luther's very early rhetoric). It seems that the RadCathRs want to make out like those of us who disagree with them are ultramontantanists who think the choice of socks the pope wears every day is an ex cathedra doctrine.

This is silly and ludicrous. I have had on my site for several years a paper about "Laymen Rebuking the Pope." This can occur and has occurred (most notably by saints like St. Francis, St. Dominic, or St. Catherine of Siena). My point is only that it would and should be a relatively rare thing. It is not normative or appropriate for a Catholic to go on and on about the pope. It's usually bad form and highly presumptuous. There have been "bad popes," of course, but John Paul II is not one of them.

So there is the "attitudinal problem" and the "factual problem" of determining whether Pope John Paul II is some raving heretic, or going senile, or lax on doctrine and discipline, etc. I believe he is one of the greatest popes ever, and on that basis in particular, I take a very dim view of all the hyper-criticism taking place about the ecumenical gathering at Assisi and what-not, not on the fatuous, wrongheaded basis that no pope can ever be criticized. But that is a convenient caricature for many RadCathRs to construct, so they milk it for all it's worth.

This goes beyond mere legal, canon law sorts of issues (I'm always one to get down to root causes and premises of viewpoints). I freely acknowledge that one can criticize a pope, if indeed sufficiently serious due cause exists. The problem here is to determine if that is the case presently. I see it as almost self-evident that it is not the case; many quasi-schismatic RadCathRs take the opposite view. How Catholics seemingly so similar in outlook on many points of theology and morality can diverge so wildly as to the stature of this present pope is what is both interesting and distressing to ponder.

RadCathRism often devolves into a "tightrope complex." I think RadCathRs want it both ways. They see the insuperable logical difficulties and the implications for indefectibility of denying the Novus Ordo Mass's validity, yet they despise it (or what they think it is, in many cases) so much that they heap scorn upon it day and night, while always being able to retreat under the "safety cover" of acceptance of its validity, in the event of being called on their derision of it by someone like me.

But I find that, oftentimes, abuses contrary to the rubrics are what are called into question (i.e., almost throwing the baby out with the bath water).
RadCathRs will often ask: "Is this Mass [the way it is often conducted today] the Mass of the ages?" Well, no, it isn't, in many ways. When Masses are filled with abuses they aren't (in a technical, non-canonical sense) even the Novus Ordo Mass - if nonsense is introduced into them which hasn't been sanctioned by the Church. I feel very strongly about abuses, piety, and reverence, too, which is why I have attended an impeccably liturgically orthodox parish for more than eleven years now, going to Latin Mass (Novus Ordo).

Or
RadCathRs will say the current Mass is a "serious break." But why would that not imply (applying common sense) that it was invalid? Wouldn't invalidity be an inherent part of a "serious" break? On the other hand, if it is a legitimate development, then it cannot be a serious break, it would seem to me. In other words, one might apply the Newmanian categories of development vs. corruption. But, as always, it seems that the RadCathRs want it both ways. They want to habitually treat it like a corruption, yet retreat behind validity when it suits their purpose, and speak of "technical validity." This sort of "Catholic no-man's land" or "neither fish nor fowl" is what drives critics like myself crazy in our dialogues on the general subject with RadCathRs, who combine Protestant private judgment and the liberal pick-and-choose mentality in a Catholic guise, in the name of "tradition."

If the Novus Ordo Mass is not a "serious deformation," then it is valid, and in the most important sense, the same Mass. After all, our Lord Jesus is present body, blood, soul, and divinity. How, then, can a Mass where our Lord is substantially present be a "serious deformation" or "serious break" or fundamentally "impious" (another common charge)? Let's get our priorities straight here. If someone simply says (as I do, to almost as great an extent) that they like the more traditional forms of worship, and the Latin Tridentine Mass, that would be fine with the Church. But so often
RadCathRs have to run down the Mass they don't attend. Live and let live. If those at the Mass they detest receive Jesus, and the ineffable graces of the Holy Eucharist, I say, "more power to them."

And of course most
RadCathRs acknowledge Pope John Paul II as a valid pope, if asked. Yet if he is not given the respect and reverence proper to the office, then that is scarcely different from saying that the Archbishop of Canterbury is who he is. It's not saying much, when we look at what RadCathRs do habitually say about the Holy Father.

Likewise with Vatican II. It's the same old equivocation: wanting to have it both ways, with the constant charges that the Council's documents are "ambiguous," or shot-through with "novel" modernism or Protestant or secularist thought, or that it was merely a pastoral, therefore not binding on the faithful. I think there is an insuperable inner tension in this position, as in Protestantism or theological liberalism. I have found more than enough material in my discussions on the subject to show that the Council's teachings are binding on the faithful, whether or not they are infallible.

I don't claim to know all the ins and outs of that very complicated canon law discussion. The faithful are not expected to know all that stuff. They are expected to accept the teachings of the Church at the highest level and give assent to them: internally as well as externally. I am not just an apologist. I am also one of the faithful. It seems to me that acknowledging the binding character of the Council would end many of the severe criticisms of the decrees on Ecumenism and other religions, religious freedom, etc. "Authoritative" ought to be sufficient to shut the mouths of dissenting Catholics. But it is not. And that is another instance of the inherent equivocations of the
RadCathR position.

Who determines what is "novel" anyway? The pope and the bishops, or
RadCathRs? How is RadCathR dissent and selectivity of what they will follow different from what Luther maintained in 1517 and (especially) 1521? He wanted to stand there and say he knew better than the Church, and it was "self-evident," etc. that the Church was wrong in this and that teaching. RadCathRs vainly think that they can determine what is a legitimate development, apart from the mind of the Church and the official pronouncements of the Magisterium? Curious . . . 

Likewise, Luther thought that merit and purgatory and the Sacrifice of the Mass were not legitimate developments of soteriology, prayers for the dead, and the Real Presence. The Church determines these things, not individuals. If the individual wants to dissent, then that is liberal cafeteria Catholicism and Protestant private judgment rearing their ugly heads again. I'm not saying (don't get me wrong) that RadCathRs are consciously taking this approach in those terms; what I am saying is that is what it boils down to, closely-scrutinized.

William Marshner of Christendom College, wrote:

At the same time, however, I join with all other theologians in saying that the new ground [on religious liberty] is non-infallible teaching. So when I say that the possibility exists that Vatican II is wrong on one or more crucial points of Dignitatis Humanae, I do not simply mean that the Council's policy may prove unfruitful. I mean to signal a possibility that the Council's teaching is false.

But may a Catholic theologian admit that such a possibility exists? Of course he may. The decree Dignitatis Humanae is a non-infallible document, and the teaching which it presents is admitted to be a 'new development', hence not something which is already acknowledged dogma ex magisterio ordinario. Therefore the kind of religious assent which Catholics owe to that teaching is the kind of assent which does not exclude the logical possibility that the teaching is wrong; rather our assent excludes any probability that the teaching is wrong"

(Faith and Reason, Fall 1983)
What I get out of this is that we give our assent, whether the Church changes its opinion later or not. The "probability" is that the teaching is correct. But is that how RadCathRs treat it? Of course not. We have fools like one person from The Remnant who went to the Ecumenical Gathering at Assisi as a reporter to heap scorn upon the proceedings and present it according to his warped, preconceived (false) notions of its intent and goal and underlying impulses. He is not giving an "assent" which "excludes any probability that the teaching is wrong." He's no different in this respect than any anti-Catholic Protestant polemicist who wouldn't know true Catholic ecumenism from a hole in the ground.

I think there is a strong critique of
RadCathRism which doesn't rest on canon law intricacies. I believe I have been making it these past few years. Not every one (to greatly understate it) is a canonist or liturgist. Those things don't particularly interest me. But I think a strong case can be made without relying on those areas and all that they entail. And that case is based on an examination of the underlying premises of the RadCathR position and "mental predisposition" before one even gets to the technical minutiae of canon law and liturgical rubrics.

I question whether
RadCathRs even understand what legitimate Catholic ecumenism is. They must first understand that to even have an opposing position (which is itself highly imprudent, as a Catholic must give assent to the Church's teaching). What I hear is the constant vapid equation of ecumenism with indifferentism. As the latter is clearly rejected by the Church, the criticism collapses as irrelevant; a non sequitur. Yet it is constantly made. To me that suggests that the real problem is in the prior attitude of the RadCathR and his fallacies and Protestant-like false dichotomies, not in the teaching itself, since the very thing harped on is already dealt with in the documents themselves.  

RadCathRs see in documents of Vatican II and papal and Church actions what they want to see. What they miss is the responsibility to give assent to what the pope (and the Council) is teaching. How is this approach a whit different from the dissent of the liberal theologians on Humanae Vitae (which they argued wasn't infallible; therefore, not binding) or the Protestant protestations of Luther and his legatees for the last 500 years?

Why should I think any given
RadCathR's opinion carries more weight than John Paul II's in the first place? The very premise is ludicrous. I'm supposed to sit here and think, "hmmmm, lessee, on one hand I have RadCathR person X's and The Remnant's and RadCathR person Y's and RadCathR person Z's opinions; on the other I have an Ecumenical Council, the Holy Father, and Cardinal Ratzinger, etc. Which shall I prefer??????" How can RadCathRs explain to me how the very scenario which their opinions entail (in effect, offering such a "choice") is not absolutely ridiculous and thoroughly un-Catholic from the get-go?

I think
RadCathRs have insuperable difficulties, and that they are thinking like Protestants in some key ways having to do with private judgment and authority, and like liberal theologians in some ways as well. Many may have converted from either Protestantism or liberal "cafeteria" Catholicism, and have brought certain ways of thought from those belief-systems with them into so-called Catholic RadCathRism. They can still attend the Tridentine Mass, as long as it is approved. That's fine. No one has a problem with that. I consider myself a true Catholic traditionalist because I absolutely detest theological liberalism and liturgical and architectural compromise and mediocrity.

I was given the following citation from the great Catholic writer Dietrich von Hildebrand:

When the pope speaks ex cathedra on faith or morals, then unconditional acceptance and submission is required of every Catholic. But it is false to extend this loyalty to encyclicals in which new theses are proposed.

(The Devastated Vineyard, Harrison, New York: Roman Catholic Books, rep. 1985 [orig. 1973], 246)

In context, however, von Hildebrand goes on to give an example of what might be dissented against: matters of a "corporate state," e.g., where Pope Pius XI's Quadragesimo Anno "differs on sociological questions with encyclicals of Paul VI" (p. 247). Hardly the usual
RadCathR concern . . . And then what does the great von Hildebrand (whose wife Alice I have had the pleasure to meet) say, immediately after those words?:

But when it is a question of . . . the introduction of a new missal, or the rearrangement of the Church calendar, or the new rubrics for the liturgy, then our obedience (as Vatican I declares [79]), but by no means our agreement is required. (Ibid., 247)

In footnote 79 (p. 254) he goes on:

The duty of this obedience is made clear by the dogmatic constitution Pastor Aeternus of Vatican I: ' . . . Regarding this jurisdiction the shepherds of whatever rite and dignity, and the faithful individually and collectively, are bound by the duty of hierarchical submission and sincere obedience. And this holds not only for matters relating to faith and morals, but also to matters pertaining to the discipline and government of the Church throughout the whole world.' (Ch. 3; Denz. 1827).

In the same book (written at the very high-water mark of the Liberal Revolution: 1973), in a chapter entitled "Dawn," von Hildebrand notes hopeful signs:

But the situation has also changed inasmuch as the opposition to this devastation has greatly increased, and many voices are being raised in defense of orthodoxy. Indeed, we see an unmistakeable wave of awakening, of protest against heresies. (Ibid., 102)

After listing many hopeful signs, he declares:

This is all a great consolation, and it is especially a hope for the future. This is real progress . . . (Ibid., 103)

Not only that, he also (in very un-
RadCathR fashion) praises actions of the Hierarchy of the Church: the Third Roman Synod of 1971, which he describes as a "successful opposition to the destructive tendencies of the modern 'reformers'" in response to "the unambiguous position of the Holy Father." (p. 103). Then he mentions approvingly two documents from the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, in 1972 and 1973, the second of which condemned Hans Kung's errors on infallibility (p. 105). Then he says, "I would like to conclude these signs of hope with the words of the Holy Father . . . " [from an audience on 19 January 1972], and quotes Pope Paul VI at length on pages 105-106. Furthermore, even after severe criticisms of the Novus Ordo Mass, he states:

And it goes without saying that it would also be completely wrong to disobey any of the rulings of the Holy Father regarding the Novus Ordo and the Tridentine liturgy (cf. the passage from Vatican I I quoted in footnote 78-a, regarding the obedience which Catholics owe the Pope even in those practical matters where they are entitled to disagree with the judgment of the Pope). (Ibid., 73-74).

So much for the
RadCathRs claiming of Dietrich von Hildebrand. He doesn't talk like RadCathRs of today, who go directly after Blessed John Paul II and make no bones about it. If Ven. Pope Paul VI was so incompetent and compromised, and presided over the virtual destruction of the Church (as many RadCathRs would have it), why doesn't von Hildebrand seem to notice that? Well, because his outlook is precisely like mine, and us so-called "Neo-Conservatives" or "Neo-Catholics" (i.e., the simply orthodox) and most unlike the current so-called RadCathR zeitgeist.

Moreover, Dietrich von Hildebrand doesn't trash Vatican II, which is currently being touted as the very "source" of the problems (as opposed to the hijacking of it by the liberals, which is the compromised position, we are told, of the "Neo-Catholics"). In his earlier book, Trojan Horse in the City of God (Chicago: Franciscan Herald Press, 1967), von Hildebrand writes, at the beginning of Chapter One (p. 3):

When one reads the luminous encyclical Ecclesiam Suam of Pope Paul VI or the magnificent Dogmatic Constitution on the Church of the Fathers of the Council, one cannot but realize the greatness of the Second Vatican Council . . . Indeed, it would be difficult to conceive a greater contrast that that existing between the official documents of Vatican II and the superficial, insipid pronouncements of various theologian and laymen that have been breaking out everywhere like some infectious disease. On the one side, we find the true spirit of Christ, the authentic voice of the Church; we find texts that in both form and content breathe a glorious supernatural atmosphere [hmmmm: no hint of modernist co-opting of the Council and "ambiguity" in this description]. On the other side, we find a depressing secularization, a complete loss of the sensus supranaturalis, a morass of confusion.

 
He speaks of "The distortion of the authentic nature of the Council that this epidemic of theological dilettantism produces . . . " (pp. 3-4). He goes on:

. . . there is a third choice, which welcomes the official decisions of the Vatican Council, but at the same time emphatically rejects the secularizing interpretations given them by many so-called progressive theologians and laymen. This third choice is based on unshakable faith in Christ and in the infallible magisterium of His Holy Church . . . This is simply the Catholic position . . . It should be clear that this third response to the contemporary crisis in the Church is not timidly compromising, but consistent and forthright . . . .

The response we have been describing involves grave concern and apprehension over the present invasion of the life of the Church by secularism. It considers the present crisis the most serious one in the entire history of the Church
[as I often heard the late Fr. John A. Hardon say]. Yet it is full of hope that the Church will triumph, because our Lord Himself has said: 'And the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.' (Ibid., 5-7)

Again, this is precisely my position. But things in the
RadCathR camp have moved radically to the right since 1967 (sort of a parallel to the most exclusivistic form of Protestant Fundamentalism). Now the Council is not dead-set against the liberals, nor does it represent "the true spirit of Christ, the authentic voice of the Church." Rather, it is itself liberal, and the root of the problem (at least in large part)!!! It is "ambiguous" and shot-through with "modernist" theology. How different from the position of von Hildebrand! Now his own thought on the matter has "evolved" into the following twisted, distorted caricature of orthodox Catholicism, under the pretense of Catholic RadCathRism:
There is the RadCathR choice, which incessantly questions the official decisions of the Vatican Council, and at the same time emphatically rejects the alleged 'orthodox' interpretations given them by many so-called 'conservative' theologians and laymen. This RadCathR choice is based on unshakable faith in Christ and in the infallible magisterium of His Holy Church, as interpreted by popes from Pius XII back and [in the final analysis] ourselves . . .

Now von Hildebrand, myself, and all doctrinally- and morally-orthodox Catholics who don't follow the
RadCathR line are branded as compromising "Neo-Conservatives" or "Neo-Catholics", in cahoots with the very folks we claim to decry. We are told that we distort the true meaning of the Council, which is liberal and modernist, and we put our heads in the sand with regard to the "self-evident" travesties of the Holy Father (whom thay can no longer even respect, let alone trust), and all the myriad difficulties with the New Mass. As far as I can tell, von Hildebrand was a severe critic of the liturgical changes (without at all denying validity), and believed they could be rectified (as I do), but didn't go after the Council or the pope at all.

Now, however, it is quite fashionable in
RadCathR circles to go after all three (while carefully avoiding stepping over the razor-thin line of invalidity). And that is how error (i.e., corruption) develops over time: a classic case. In my opinion, there is no clear logical or ecclesiological stopping-point or major difference in attitude, approach, and mentality, between these positions and those of schismatics or sedevacantism (it is a slippery slope). There is a significant difference of degree, but (arguably) not of bottom-line essence.

Now, perhaps
RadCathRs would argue, "well, if Dietrich von Hildebrand were alive today, he would be as vocal a critic of John Paul II as we are . . . " Well, maybe we can judge his response by that of his widow, Alice von Hildebrand, a great thinker and faithful Catholic in her own right, who seems to have no problem with the Holy Father (nor with ecumenism):

Joanna Bratten's article "Pluralism and Orthodoxy" calls for comments. I shall limit myself to her problem of balancing the acceptance of other religions while upholding her faith as being absolute Truth.

The first thing I would like to challenge is her claim that we should accept other religions. No one is required to do so. Ecumenism does not mean to "accept other religions" - far from it - but to have a loving and reverent attitude toward those who do not benefit from the fullness of revealed Truth. It challenges us to rejoice over every bit of truth we discover in them, but we should never accept what is false or partially false . . .

Alas, very few men can resist the Zeitgeist. Since Luther, the only concern of most people seems to be the question of salvation. All of us have heard the question "are you saved?". If the answer is in the affirmative, people are satisfied that nothing more is needed.

What is sadly neglected is the question of truth. The primary end of man is not salvation but the glorification of God, and God can only be glorified "in the spirit and in Truth." What is totally overlooked in our subjectivistic and relativistic society is that every untruth (particularly when it refers to matters of supreme importance, such as the nature of God) creates a metaphysical dissonance, and a discordance in the symphony of the universe. Plato has seen this; my late husband has underlined it repeatedly, and John Paul II has highlighted it magnificently in Veritatis Splendor. To deny that God is a Trinity, that Christ is God, that He alone is the Savior of the world must make the Angels weep, even though these terrible errors are held by people who are victims of invincible ignorance. Christ commanded us to spread His Truth (for He alone is the Truth) to the whole world. It is a duty of charity, and charity suffers no exception.

 
(Article, "Charity requires us to proclaim the fullness of Truth," in the University Concourse of the Franciscan University of Steubenville)

I would note that the so-called "traditionalists" of 1870, such as the excommunicate Old Catholic historian Dollinger, thought the definition of papal infallibility was a "novelty" contrary to past teaching. On the other end of the spectrum were the ultramontanists. But the Church, as always, guided by the Holy Spirit, came down with a reasonable middle position. Likewise, with Vatican II.

Vatican II stated that the Latin ought to be maintained. That it was not was the fault of bishops, not the pope. As for the change in fasting and other penitential practices (another common complaint), in former times there were things like public whippings (even of kings in some instances), public confession of serious sins and so forth. In Ireland they climb up mountains on their knees. The people of that time (or the more devout Irish) could just as well argue that the entire 20th century (if not the whole period after Trent) was extremely lax in such matters. Obviously, these things can be changed and differ somewhat according to culture and time. The Church has every right and prerogative to modify them as She pleases.

The Church can modify the Church calendar. I don't see that as a "biggie" at all. I largely agree with
RadCathR and also legitimate "traditionalist" concerns about communion in the hand. I think allowing it was imprudent, and played into the hand of the liberals (though I don't deny that the Church has every right to allow it, and I don't think it is necessarily harmful to piety. I think that in fact it often is, however, due to other factors). At my parish we have an altar rail and 95% of the communicants receive on the tongue. We never have altar girls, either.

As for the never-ending trashing of the critics of the Assisi I and II Ecumenical Gatherings, they need to show from actual proclamations by the pope and other Catholics, that the faith and Vatican II-type ecumenism was compromised. Instead I see a bunch of hysterical alarmism which presupposes certain fears and suspicions from the outset and then interprets the proceedings accordingly. That is singularly unimpressive and unpersuasive.


Then again, just because something is fairly new (say, altar girls) does not mean it is necessarily hostile to previous tradition or Tradition. Altar girls is the perfect example. I don't like it much because it is a way that the liberals can further their nefarious ends by using it as a sort of "link" to female "priests." As I thoroughly despise liberalism and all such schemes, I don't want to be around this, and I am not. But in and of itself, I can't see how it is intrinsically evil (and in fact, no doubt a pious practice for most of the girls involved). I have heard that the pope allowed it, while at the same time making sure to reiterate, in the strongest terms, that there would not ever be such a thing as a female Catholic priest, as a matter of unchanging Catholic law. In that sense, I think it was strategically ingenious, given the situation that the pope finds himself in, with liberals in control of so many Catholic institutions and parishes.

We mustn't condemn all "change" per se, without examining the merits and demerits of each change. It strikes me as simply a knee-jerk reactionary impulse: "change is bad." Well, lots of folks thought that every "change" made at each and every Ecumenical Council was "bad." The Nestorians didn't like Ephesus; the Arians despised Nicaea; the Monophysites didn't like Chalcedon. And now the RadCathRs (like the Old Catholics at Vatican I) don't like Vatican II and certain "changes" put into practice in accord with its general emphases. As I said, I think some good critiques can be made, but the usual
RadCathR case goes too far. But what about "changes" like the Catechism and the wave of converts and the flourishing of apologetics, or the significant rise in vocations in various quarters, or EWTN, or the strong trend of orthodoxy of young seminarians? Do RadCathRs like those changes, or must they always just see all this negative stuff (much of which is arguably not negative)?

I think the
RadCathR approach becomes a lot like fundamentalist legalism: "you can't dance, drink, or chew, or associate with those who do." "You can't show any appreciation for any aspect of truth present in other religions, lest you become an indifferentist" (or cause others to stumble and think you are, even if you are not). One doesn't have to make such choices, because they are false dilemmas.
RadCathRs tell us that many of the faithful are confused by things like Assisi I and II and the Pope kissing the Koran, etc. But lots of things in Catholicism are confusing, as it is on a very high level, spiritually and intellectually. The Trinity is very confusing. The hearers of Jesus' discourse from John 6 were very confused, too, including virtually all the disciples. So what? Luther was very confused about the biblical symbiotic relationship between faith and works. Ignorance is changed by education, not sugar-coating possibly difficult-to-understand teachings and actions. To me the complexity and depth of the Catholic Church is its unique glory, and a major reason I am here. The deepest spiritual and theological truths aren't all that simple.

But Remnant-style lamentations about the state of the Church are scandalous and highly imprudent. Even if some of their analyses are correct, it is not right to air dirty laundry in public, just as it is highly inappropriate for a married couple to argue about their personal problems in a public restaurant.

Some presuppositions of
RadCathRs which I wonder a lot about are:

1. Whether they can differentiate Vatican II-type ecumenism from indifferentism. If they equate the two, what supporting documentation from official Church teaching can they produce?
 

2. What makes RadCathRs think that they can ascertain that John Paul II is some sort of closet liberal (as often insinuated), on the basis of his actions which they consider imprudent to the point of laxity, compromise, and irresponsibility, or negligence with regard to the disciplining of liberal dissenters? If he is merely imprudent in some instances, then that alone is not a basis for saying he is no longer trustworthy. On the other hand, if some RadCathRs" think he actually is a modernist (if that is their explanation of his actions), that needs to be established from documentation of his words (and - most importantly - his words in their proper context. Our RadCathR friends have become quite adept at "proof-texting" out of context from the pope, to "prove" some negative, cynical point they wish to make; quite as "good" as fundamentalist Protestants are, with their anti-Catholic biblical "proof-texting").

3. What makes
RadCathRs think that they know more about prudence itself, for that matter, and all the intricacies of the internal working of the Church and its problems, than does the pope, whose job it is to preside over the Church (so that they can sit and analyze why he does what he does, giving a negative slant to it, according to their own preferences)? This is a prime example of a certain outrageous presumption which lies behind all so-called RadCathRism, in my opinion. I freely grant that this is often not the conscious intent of such criticism, but it still stinks to high heaven when analyzed closely for the rank presumptuousness that it is, objectively speaking.

Of course, prudence itself (by its very nature) is the sort of thing where good men can differ in the first place, so it would be rather difficult to obtain agreement of all on any particular instance of it. Thus I don't think it can be deemed determinative in an examination of someone's Catholic orthodoxy or lack thereof. It could be introduced as an aspect of an overall picture, but not all by itself, or as the primary factor. I agree that any pope (or any saint) might be imprudent, rarely or often, just as a pope could conceivably be a heretic. That is not at issue (at least not in my case). But the stance that the average Catholic routinely takes towards the leader of their faith, and successor to Peter, is the highest level of respect and deference.

But faith and trust in the integrity and holiness of Pope John Paul II shouldn't be confused with reasons given for his "misunderstood" actions, in particular instances. I admire John Paul II; he is my hero as well as my Pontiff. That doesn't mean I can't give reasons for why I defend him against whatever charges "traditionalists" wish to throw at him. The two things don't exclude each other. The circularity is much more on the
RadCathR's side, as far as I am concerned. They have assumed that the Holy Father is now untrustworthy and perpetually suspect, and that anything he does which hits the usual RadCathR hot buttons" is proof positive that he is deficient. Most people simply fit new ideas into their existing framework or paradigm (things are "plausible" to them to the extent that they mesh with their current opinions). RadCathRs and their critics such as myself both do this. Everyone does.

We need not assert that any given
RadCathR is in bad faith. Rather, I would point out a certain inability of the RadCathR to view things from another presuppositional framework. One can have an opinion that someone is attitudinally or theologically deficient in terms of the outlook of a faithful and obedient orthodox Catholic, yet still have the ability to view things from within their paradigm and critique it within its own logic. Both sides of this debate need to work on this ability. Generally I presume that error stems from deficient thinking, at least where the persons involved are otherwise very decent folk.


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8 comments:

Peter said...

An interesting and thought provoking blog. I wonder whether most traditionalists simply desire to celebrate the Tridentine mass, with other concerns being at best secondary (call them "small t" traditionalists, if you will). If so, then they differ from Protestants and other earlier hereitics that you mentioned in that unlike your examples, the traditionalists make their appeal to forms that have been held by the Church since time immemorial. I would suggest that this distinction is critical, and that the Church must honor traditionalists' desire to worship accroding to the earlier rite. This has been done by Pope Benedict, and at least where I live, is widely utilized. One would anticipate that this will bring together again divergent trends in the Church.
Thank you again for a very interesting post.

Dave Armstrong said...

The Church does indeed acknowledge this, and I always have as well. That's why I attend a parish (since 1991) that has always offered the Novus Ordo Latin Mass and now also offers the Tridentine Mass.

I've been saying this for years, and the pope decreed the same recently, which delighted me.

David said...

Thank you for this blog, which I am reading years after its posting. One thing is somewhat confusing, and that is the last quotation in green typeface. It does not seem to be von Hildebrand himself, but rather a position opposed to his. Why then is this put into green typeface reserved for the words of Dietrich von Hildebrand?

Dave Armstrong said...

Looks like that was a mistake. I will correct it. Thanks for pointing it out, and glad you liked the article.

Ken said...

Dave,

what are your thought in V2 "ambiguities" now that Cardinal Kasper has admitted to the "compromise formulas" placed throughout V2 documents.... Seems like these radtrads continue to be vindicated time and time again

Dave Armstrong said...

I have no thoughts on it, but one Cardinal is not the magisterium, anyway, so I don't see that it has much relevance to anything.

Ken said...

Well, It is relevant because its a very liberal cardinal stating that there were intentionally ambiguous statements put into the text as a kind of compromise between conservatives and liberals. Apparently, at the time, everyone was OK with that happening because they were told repeatedly that the council was not infallible. Seems like that admission from Kasper is a pretty big deal Dave. I've only just started taking an interest in the whole radtrad thing and your blog has tons of great stuff! (should have known it would) these sspx guys can make a pretty compelling case so I'll be happy to read your perspective for balance. Hope you are doing well Dave!

Ken said...

Kasper says “In many places, [the Council Fathers] had to find compromise formulas, in which, often, the positions of the majority are located immediately next to those of the minority, designed to delimit them. Thus, the conciliar texts themselves have a huge potential for conflict, open the door to a selective reception in either direction.”

I guess my problem is.... You say in another blog that even if V2 is not infallible (like the pope said it wasn't) it is still binding and authoritative. How can documents that were intentionally compromised with ambiguities be binding? If the document is supposed to express the opinions of the minority and the majority right next to each other..... Well then to whom am I bound?!? This significantly muddies up the waters.