This exchange and attempted debate (slightly edited) occurred on my Facebook page, in a public post. That post was initiated with a cartoon that depicted a KKK couple asking a black baker to bake their wedding cake. Former Catholic Marco's words will be in blue. I made many spelling and grammar corrections.
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The guy should bake the damn cake. First amendment rights. And in my opinion same sex marriage is constitutionally covered by the pursuit of happiness. Religions and their exclusionary practices are also covered under the first amendment. It's a great country guys!
All we can do is try to reason with rational people who believe in traditional morality, and pray for the ones who aren't and don't.
Who gives a damn if gay people want to get married? If your church opposes it, don't marry gay people, but for God's sake live and let live. Who does gay marriage hurt? Don't give me any BS about it being a bad example for children, either. If you want an electrician, don't call a Quaker. If you need a blood transfusion, don't go to a Jehovah's Witness or Christian Scientist.
Exclusionary religious practices are tolerated as matters of faith, cool. But keep your BS within your own group till judgement day. That day you can scream I told you so as loud as you want. The Crusades are over buddy.
"Who does gay marriage hurt?"
1) The two who got "married" because sodomy hurts them, and is known to produce several deleterious health effects, which is why practicing homosexuals (almost invariably wildly promiscuous) die a lot younger than the rest of us.
2) Children in such a "marriage" because they need parents of both sexes. Who wants to grow up without a mother? Or without a father?
3) Society, because marriage is the bedrock of civilization. To redefine it will be to start dismantling that (formerly Christian) civilization.
4) Of course, sodomy is a mortal sin, and goes against the natural order (see Romans 1 and 2). If unrepented of, it may very well cause a person to be condemned to hell for eternity. It doesn't have to be. By God's grace, repentance is possible.
5) Sexuality divorced from all relationship whatever to procreation (childbearing) is also mortal sin (the contraceptive mentality). This is why practicing lesbianism is also mortal sin, even though it doesn't involve sodomy.
What a bunch of horse pucky. Especially 2. I'm slightly inclined to agree with point 3. Point one, somewhat true, but that's their right. Intolerance is asinine. I'm ideologically Jewish, but respect your right to believe in Christ. I'm not carrying a cross for anyone and God will smite me when he sees fit.
I still await a rational response from Marco. I won't hold my breath . . . Do you respect our right to believe that sodomy is sin, just as our Jewish ancestors before the time of Christ also believed? Ignorance and blindness are asinine, too.
That's cool my friend. Enjoy your forum. Pat each other on the back on what a bunch of moral and spiritual philosophers you are. I get it. Enjoy.
Oh, it's time for you to depart now, Marco? Once anyone disagrees with you and explains why they do, it's a lot different, huh?
Dude I'm still here.
Oh good. It sounded like you were giving a little speech prior to your departure. Do you intend to rationally respond to my five points? You asked a question and I answered it.
Catholics shouldn't be forced into any of that. But let those people go elsewhere who want those things you rebuke. This is the United states of America. Not the United states of Christ. You guys probably think it should be and I encourage you to petition and vote for this country becoming the United States of Christ. It's your rights as Americans to do so. And it's just as much a gay person's [right] to get married.
Do you intend to actually interact with my five points or not? This page is not a forum for you to merely preach, which would be trolling. You're more than welcome to engage in argument, whatever you believe, but I don't tolerate trolls.
Trolling? What the hell is that?
What you are doing: preaching on a page where you know you will be mostly disagreed with.
You're not gonna burn me at the stake, are you? Ok buddy. I'll let you guys reinforce each other. I didn't realize I walked into a pep rally. Your views are your view. I grew up Catholic and think the religion is mostly beautiful. I just disagree with the fact that it tries to tell non-Catholics how to live.
Anyone else is welcome to step up to the plate and defend so-called "gay marriage." Bye Marco. Thanks for the classic demonstration of the mindless, irrational idealogue. Note, folks, that I repeatedly urged Marco to make his argument. He was more than welcome to, but refused, and so was blocked as a troll.What good is a religion if it does not "tell people how to live"? LOL Ain't that much of the point? Revelation tells us how to live a happy, joyful life, and how to receive eternal life.
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