Wednesday, April 01, 2015

The Usual Non-Debate (Not for Lack of Trying!) with a "Gay Marriage" Advocate (vs. Marco Razzeto)

 
This exchange and attempted debate (slightly edited) occurred on my Facebook page, in a public post. That post was initiated with a cartoon that depicted a KKK couple asking a black baker to bake their wedding cake. Former Catholic Marco's words will be in blue. I made many spelling and grammar corrections.

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The guy should bake the damn cake. First amendment rights. And in my opinion same sex marriage is constitutionally covered by the pursuit of happiness. Religions and their exclusionary practices are also covered under the first amendment. It's a great country guys!

All we can do is try to reason with rational people who believe in traditional morality, and pray for the ones who aren't and don't.

Who gives a damn if gay people want to get married? If your church opposes it, don't marry gay people, but for God's sake live and let live. Who does gay marriage hurt? Don't give me any BS about it being a bad example for children, either. If you want an electrician, don't call a Quaker. If you need a blood transfusion, don't go to a Jehovah's Witness or Christian Scientist.

Exclusionary religious practices are tolerated as matters of faith, cool. But keep your BS within your own group till judgement day. That day you can scream I told you so as loud as you want. The Crusades are over buddy.
"Who does gay marriage hurt?"

1) The two who got "married" because sodomy hurts them, and is known to produce several deleterious health effects, which is why practicing homosexuals (almost invariably wildly promiscuous) die a lot younger than the res
t of us.

2) Children in such a "marriage" because they need parents of both sexes. Who wants to grow up without a mother? Or without a father?

3) Society, because marriage is the bedrock of civilization. To redefine it will be to start dismantling that (formerly Christian) civilization.

4) Of course, sodomy is a mortal sin, and goes against the natural order (see Romans 1 and 2). If unrepented of, it may very well cause a person to be condemned to hell for eternity. It doesn't have to be. By God's grace, repentance is possible.

5) Sexuality divorced from all relationship whatever to procreation (childbearing) is also mortal sin (the contraceptive mentality). This is why practicing lesbianism is also mortal sin, even though it doesn't involve sodomy.


What a bunch of horse pucky. Especially 2. I'm slightly inclined to agree with point 3. Point one, somewhat true, but that's their right. Intolerance is asinine. I'm ideologically Jewish, but respect your right to believe in Christ. I'm not carrying a cross for anyone and God will smite me when he sees fit.

I still await a rational response from Marco. I won't hold my breath . . . Do you respect our right to believe that sodomy is sin, just as our Jewish ancestors before the time of Christ also believed? Ignorance and blindness are asinine, too.

That's cool my friend. Enjoy your forum. Pat each other on the back on what a bunch of moral and spiritual philosophers you are. I get it. Enjoy.

Oh, it's time for you to depart now, Marco? Once anyone disagrees with you and explains why they do, it's a lot different, huh? 

Dude I'm still here.

Oh good. It sounded like you were giving a little speech prior to your departure. Do you intend to rationally respond to my five points? You asked a question and I answered it. 

Catholics shouldn't be forced into any of that. But let those people go elsewhere who want those things you rebuke. This is the United states of America. Not the United states of Christ. You guys probably think it should be and I encourage you to petition and vote for this country becoming the United States of Christ. It's your rights as Americans to do so. And it's just as much a gay person's [right] to get married.

Do you intend to actually interact with my five points or not? This page is not a forum for you to merely preach, which would be trolling. You're more than welcome to engage in argument, whatever you believe, but I don't tolerate trolls.

Trolling? What the hell is that? 

What you are doing: preaching on a page where you know you will be mostly disagreed with.

You're not gonna burn me at the stake, are you? Ok buddy. I'll let you guys reinforce each other. I didn't realize I walked into a pep rally. Your views are your view. I grew up Catholic and think the religion is mostly beautiful. I just disagree with the fact that it tries to tell non-Catholics how to live.

Anyone else is welcome to step up to the plate and defend so-called "gay marriage." Bye Marco. Thanks for the classic demonstration of the mindless, irrational idealogue. Note, folks, that I repeatedly urged Marco to make his argument. He was more than welcome to, but refused, and so was blocked as a troll.What good is a religion if it does not "tell people how to live"? LOL Ain't that much of the point? Revelation tells us how to live a happy, joyful life, and how to receive eternal life.

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Tuesday, March 31, 2015

First Video Ever of Me Teaching Apologetics

 

By Dave Armstrong

I did an informal Q & A teaching session (1 hr, 17 min. total, in two parts) with a Catholic high school youth group, called ROCK (Relying On Christ our King), in Southgate, Michigan (3-22-15), answering 30 or so questions, completely unprepared and "off the cuff."

Links: Part One / Part Two


I hardly ever do this, whether filmed or not. I did an actual talk / lecture a year or two ago to another high school group. That's even more rare than what I did here, which was almost totally a Q & A session. Blessedly, I wasn't really aware that I was being filmed the whole time. That would have made my perfectionism hit the roof and make me worry too much about what I was saying.

This is me! People are always talking about how the Internet doesn't convey body language, tone, and all the rest that we see visually, or what we hear (inflection and so forth). So now you can see what I'm really like (rather than what the myths of my detractors claim): laid-back, informal, given often to witty remarks and one-liners (sometimes dry humor), unassuming, easy-going.

This is exactly what I would be like (so my family and some friends who have met me say), if you were in my living room talking to me about apologetics. Hopefully, this can overcome the curious stereotype that makes out that apologists are these mean, overbearing, arrogant types who love to tell everyone they are wrong and how stupid they are. I have my faults like anyone else, but those things are not among my besetting sins or shortcomings.

No! I'm here to share with joy, the Good News and the fullness of spiritual and theological truth that is found in the Catholic Church.

What's cool is that in the second part you see a lot of my second-oldest son Michael (almost 22) who was reading the questions and making some comments. You hear my youngest son Matthew (baritone voice just like myself and Michael) with a few questions, but don't see him, because he was filming it. You also see the back of my wife Judy's head in Part 2 (dark, curly hair). I wish she had turned around!

I think it's fun because it is so informal and a sort of group discussion. Part 2 is as informal as can be imagined, in a separate room with everyone feeding their face and walking around, while I answered the questions from index cards. Though I don't do stuff like this much, I immensely enjoyed it. The most fun in apologetics that I ever had in my life was when it was just me and 16 atheists in a room, 3 or 4 years ago. That was a Q & A session, too. I wrote about that but I don't have a transcript of it.

So, enjoy and please let me hear your feedback and what you think. Did your impression of me change too?

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Friday, March 20, 2015

The Raising of Tabitha as a Compelling Indicator of Purgatory (by Tony Gerring)


By Tony Gerring [see Facebook page]

If you are a non-Catholic Christian, can you provide some insight on how you understand this story in Scripture? In Acts 9:36-42, Peter raises the disciple Tabitha from the dead (Acts 9:36-42).

Where did Tabitha's soul go after she died?

Did Tabitha's soul leave heaven and return to earth?

What about Hebrews 9:27?: “It is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment.”

How do you understand this story?

In the New Testament, there are several occurrences of the dead being raised to life after Jesus’ resurrection. In Acts 9:36-42, we read about how Peter raised Tabitha from the dead. Note that Tabitha is specifically called a disciple of Jesus who did good works and gave alms. In verse 37, the Bible tells us she died. According to Protestant understanding, after her death, Tabitha's soul must have gone directly to heaven.

Now if Tabitha had received her heavenly reward and her soul was in heaven with God, then God must have stripped Tabitha of her heavenly reward in order to send her soul back to a sinful, bodily existence on earth. But how could this be? This would violate God's own love and justice: “It is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment.” Hebrews 9:27.

In Catholic eschatology, there exists another option – that which is called purgatory. According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church: “All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven. (CCC 1030). Furthermore, the “Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.” (CCC 1031)

If Tabitha was among the elect and her soul was undergoing this final purification in order “to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven,” her earthly resurrection would not violate God’s eternal justice, for her soul would not yet have entered into the heavenly reward promised by God.

However, if, as non-Catholic Christians assert, there is no purgatory, then immediately after her death her soul would have entered its heavenly reward. And, in order for Tabitha to be raised from the dead, God must have cast her soul out of heaven in order to return to a sinful, bodily existence on earth. The problem with this explanation is that it defies everything that Christians understand about God and his love and justice.

It is simply not possible for a soul once received into heaven to leave heaven and return to a sinful, earthly existence. This is an impossible theological difficulty for non-Catholic Christians.
However, the raising of Tabitha by Peter as recounted in the book of Acts fits perfectly within Catholic theology, maintains God's love and justice, and still manifest's God power over death on earth as a witness to eternal life in heaven. This story is also one of the strongest and clearest Biblical evidences for the reality of the final purification of the elect after death and before entering heaven.

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Thursday, March 19, 2015

Cardinal Newman's Conversion Odyssey, in His Own Words (September 1839 to December 1845)

Newman in 1845
 
The following chronological documentation is drawn from entries in my two books:  

The Quotable Newman (Manchester, New Hampshire: Sophia Institute Press, 2012)
Section: "Conversion (His Own)" 

Cardinal Newman: Q & A on Theology, Church History, and Conversion (Lulu, 2015; currently in progress, with the sections relevant here, completed) 
Section: Ch. 6: "Conversion (to Catholicism)"

Sometimes different portions of the same letter are in the two different books, which will be noted. I note to whom letters were written, and also indicate primary sources or secondary sources where I obtained the letters.

My two books also contain Newman's thoughts on Catholic conversion in general, his hindsight reflections on his own conversion from after 1845, and his criticisms of Anglicanism; as well as related remarks on development and other aspects of Church history. But those citations will not be included in this list (minus ten noted exceptions).

Bibliography and Abbreviations

QN  The Quotable Newman (Manchester, New Hampshire: Sophia Institute Press, 2012)

Q&A Cardinal Newman: Q & A on Theology, Church History, and Conversion (Lulu, 2015)

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Apo. Apologia pro Vita Sua (1865; London: Longmans, Green, and Co., 1908)

Ble. [Vincent Ferrer Blehl] Pilgrim Journey: John Henry Newman: 1801-1845 (New York: Paulist Press, 2001) 

Keb., Correspondence of John Henry Newman with John Keble and Others, 1839-45 (edited at the Birmingham Oratory, London: Longmans, Green, and Co., 1917)

LD vii The Letters and Diaries of John Henry Newman, Vol. VII:  Editing the British Critic: January 1839 – December 1840 (edited by Gerard Tracey;  Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1995)

LD viii The Letters and Diaries of John Henry Newman, Vol. VIII: Tract 90 and the Jerusalem Bishopric: January 1841 – April 1842 (edited by Gerard Tracey, Oxford University Press, USA, 2000)

LD ix The Letters and Diaries of John Henry Newman, Vol. IX: Littlemore and the Parting of Friends: May 1842-October 1843 (edited by Francis J. McGrath, F.M.S. and Gerard Tracey;  Oxford University Press, 2006)

LD x The Letters and Diaries of John Henry Newman, Vol. X: The Final Step: 1 November I843 – 6 October 1845 (edited by Francis J. McGrath, F.M.S.; Oxford University Press, 2006)

LD xi The Letters and Diaries of John Henry Newman, Vol. XI: Littlemore to Rome: October 1845 to December 1846 (edited by Charles Stephen Dessain, London: Thomas Nelson and Sons, 1961)

Moz. ii Letters and Correspondence of John Henry Newman During His Life in the English Church, vol. 2 [starting from December 1833] (edited by Anne Mozley; 1891; London: Longmans, Green, and Co., 1903)

POL A Packet of Letters: A Selection from the Correspondence of John Henry Newman; edited by Joyce Sugg (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1983)

SD Sermons Bearing on Subjects of the Day (1831-1843 / 1869; London: Longmans, Green, and Co., 1902)


 Chronological List of Letters and Other Sources


To Frederic Rogers, 22 Sep. 1839 (Q&A / LD vii + QN / Moz. ii)

To S. F. Wood, 29 Sep. 1839 (Q&A / LD vii)

To J. W. Bowden, 4 Nov. 1839 (Q&A / LD vii)

To Robert Williams, 10 Nov. 1839 (Q&A / LD vii)

To [sister] Jemima Mozley, 29 Nov. 1839 (Q&A / LD vii)

To J. W. Bowden, 5 Jan. 1840 (QN / Keb.)

To Edward B. Pusey, 15 Jan. 1840 (Q&A / LD vii)

To J. W. Bowden, 21 Feb. 1840 (QN / Keb.)

To [sister] Jemima Mozley, 25 Feb. 1840 (QN / Moz. ii)

To John Keble, 26 Oct. 1840 (Q&A / LD vii) [from ch. 5: "Anglicanism"]

To Frederick Rogers, 25 Nov. 1840 (QN / Moz. ii)

To Frederic Rogers, 26 Dec. 1840 (Q&A / LD vii) [from ch. 5: "Anglicanism"]

To Richard Westmacott, 8 April 1841 (Q&A / LD viii)

To Charles W. Russell [name unlisted in my book], 26 April 1841 (QN / Apo., ch. 4)

To Charles W. Russell [name unlisted in QN], 5 May 1841 (Q&A / LD viii + QN / Apo., ch. 4)

To Miss Mary Holmes, 6 Sep. 1841 (Q&A / LD viii) [from ch. 5: "Anglicanism"]

To J. R. Hope, 17 Oct. 1841 (Q&A / LD viii + QN / Moz. ii)

To John Keble, 24 Oct. 1841 (Q&A / LD viii + QN / Moz. ii) [1st from ch. 5: "Anglicanism"]

To Henry Wilberforce, 8 Nov. 1841 (Q&A / LD viii)

To J. R. Hope, 24 Nov. 1841 (QN / Keb.)

To Samuel Rickards, 1 Dec. 1841 (Q&A / LD viii + QN / Moz. ii) [1st from ch. 5: "Anglicanism"]

To J. R. Hope, 2 Dec. 1841 (QN / Keb.)

To S. F. Wood, 6 Dec. 1841 (QN / Keb.)

To J. R Hope, 8 Dec. 1841 (Q&A / LD viii)

To S. F. Wood, 13 Dec. 1841 (Q&A / LD viii + QN / Keb.)

To Thomas Mozley, 13 Dec. 1841 (Q&A / LD viii) [from ch. 5: "Anglicanism"]

To R. W. Church, 24 Dec. 1841 (QN / Apo., ch. 4)

To Rev. W. Dodsworth, 27 Dec. 1841 (QN / Keb.) 

To Robert I. Wilberforce, 26 Jan. 1842 (Q&A / LD viii)

To Robert I. Wilberforce, 1 Feb. 1842 (Q&A / LD viii)

To Edward Bellasis, 16 Feb. 1842 (QN / Keb.)

To Thomas Kirkpatrick [name unlisted in my book], 6 March 1842 (QN / Keb.)

To Edward B. Pusey, 24 Aug. 1842 (Q&A / LD ix) [from ch. 5: "Anglicanism"]

To Edward B. Pusey, 16 Oct. 1842 (QN / Apo., ch. 4)

To Miss Mary Holmes, 8 Feb. 1843 (Q&A / LD ix + QN / Ble.)

To John Keble, 14 March 1843 (QN / Keb.)

Diary, 12 April 1843 (Ble.)

To John Keble, 4 May 1843 (Q&A / LD ix + QN / Apo., ch. 4)

To John Keble, 18 May 1843 (QN / Keb.)

To Henry Wilberforce, 9 June 1843 (Q&A / LD ix)

To Mrs. William [Catherine] Froude, 28 July 1843 (Q&A / LD ix)

To [sister] Jemima Mozley, 28 Aug. 1843 (QN / Moz. ii)

To J. B. Mozley, 1 Sep. 1843 (QN / Moz. ii)

To John Keble, 6 Sep. 1843 (QN / Keb.)

To Jemima Mozley, 22 Sep. 1843 (QN / Moz. ii)

Sermon 26: “The Parting of Friends,” 25 Sep. 1843 (SD)

To [sister] Harriett Mozley, 29 Sep. 1843 (QN / Moz. ii)

To [sister] Harriet Mozley, 2 Oct.? 1843 (Q&A / LD ix)

To Henry Edward Manning, 14 Oct. 1843 (QN / Apo., ch. 4)

To Henry Edward Manning, 25 Oct. 1843 (Q&A / LD ix + QN / Apo., ch. 4)

To J. B. Mozley, 24 Nov. 1843 (QN / Moz. ii)

To Henry Edward Manning, 24 Dec. 1843 (QN / Keb.)

To John Keble, 23 Jan. 1844 (QN / Keb.)

To Edward B. Pusey, 19 Feb. 1844 (Q&A / LD x + QN / Ble.)

To J. W. Bowden, 21 Feb. 1844 (QN / Moz. ii)
 
To Charles John Myers, 25 Feb. 1844 (Q&A / LD x + QN / Ble.)

To Mrs. William [Catherine] Froude, 3 April 1844 (Q&A / LD x)

To Mrs. William [Catherine] Froude, 5 April 1844 (Q&A / LD x) [from ch. 5: "Anglicanism"]

To Mrs. William [Catherine] Froude, 9 April 1844 (Q&A / LD x) [from ch. 5: "Anglicanism"]
 
To [sister] Jemima Mozley, 21 May 1844 (Q&A / LD x + QN / Ble. & Moz. ii)

To John Keble, 8 June 1844 (Q&A / LD x + QN / Ble. & POL)

To Mrs. William [Catherine] Froude, 9 June 1844 (QN / Ble.)

To John Keble, 13 June 1844 (QN / Keb.)

Memorandum in case of need,” 28 July 1844 (Q&A / LD x)

To E. L. Badely, 23 Aug. 1844 (QN / Keb.)

To Edward B. Pusey, 28 Aug. 1844 (Q&A / LD x)

To Edward Badeley, 9 Sep. 1844 (Q&A / LD x)

Draft,” 30 Oct. 1844 (Q&A / LD x) [from ch. 5: "Anglicanism"]

To Miss Maria Rosina Giberne, 7 Nov. 1844 (Q&A / LD x + QN / Ble.)

To Mrs. William [Catherine] Froude, 12 Nov. 1844 (Q&A / LD x)

To Rev. Edward Coleridge, 12 Nov. 1844 (QN / Keb.)

To Mrs. Elizabeth Bowden, 16 Nov. 1844 (Q&A / LD x)

To Henry Edward Manning [name unlisted in QN], 16 Nov. 1844 (Q&A / LD x + QN / Apo., ch. 4)

To Edward Coleridge, 16 Nov. 1844 (Q&A / LD x + QN / Keb.)

To Robert Wilberforce, 16 Nov. 1844 (QN / Ble.)

To John Keble, 21 Nov. 1844) (Q&A / LD x + QN / Keb.)

To [sister] Jemima Mozley, 24 Nov. 1844 (Q&A / LD x + QN / Moz. ii)

To [sister] Jemima Mozley, Dec. 1844 (QN / Moz. ii)

To [sister] Jemima Mozley, 22 Dec. 1844 (QN / Ble. & Moz. ii)

To Miss Maria Rosina Giberne, 8 Jan. 1845 (QN / Ble. & Apo., ch. 4)

To Edward B. Pusey, 25 Feb. 1845 (Q&A / LD x + QN / Ble.)

To Edward B. Pusey, 12 March 1845 (Q&A / LD x)

To Edward B. Pusey, 14 March 1845 (Q&A / LD x)

To [sister] Jemima Mozley, 15 March 1845 (Q&A / LD x + QN / Moz. ii)

To Henry Wilberforce, 20 March 1845 (Q&A / LD x)

To [sister] Jemima Mozley, 22 March 1845 (Q&A / LD x)

To Miss Maria Rosina Giberne, 30 March 1845 (Q&A / LD x + QN / Ble.)

To James Bowling Mozley, 2 April 1845 (Q&A / LD x + QN / Moz. ii)

To Robert Francis Wilson, 11 April 1845 (Q&A / LD x)

To Henry Wilberforce, 27 April 1845 (QN / Ble.)

To J. R. Hope, 14 May 1845 (QN / Keb.)

To Mrs. William [Catherine] Froude, 10 June 1845 (Q&A / LD x)

To J. R. Hope, 10 June 1845 (QN / Keb.)

To Rev. Edward Coleridge, 3 July 1845 (QN / Ble.)

To Richard Westmacott, 11 July 1845 (QN / POL)

To Charles Crawley, 14 July 1845 (Q&A / LD x)

To [brother] Francis William Newman, 7 Aug. 1845 (Q&A / LD x)

To Miss Maria Rosina Giberne, 24 Aug. 1845 (Q&A / LD x)

Mrs. Elizabeth Bowden, 31 Aug. 1845 (Q&A / LD x)

To Simeon Lloyd Pope, 18 Sep. 1845 (Q&A / LD x)

To Edward Walford, 21 Sep. 1845 (Q&A / LD x)

To Robert Francis Wilson, 25 Sep. 1845 (Q&A / LD x)

To [sister] Jemima Mozley, 9 Oct. 1845 (QN / LD xi)

To [sister] Jemima Mozley, 14 Oct. 1845 (QN / LD xi)

To Edward Badeley, 19 Oct. 1845 (QN / LD xi)

Letter To Harmood W. Banner, 8 Nov. 1845 (QN / LD xi)

Letter to the Marquise de Salvo, 14 Dec. 1845 (QN / LD xi)


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